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re: $9.6M "stolen" by "cheating" at casino
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:10 pm to Tallerthansaban
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:10 pm to Tallerthansaban
It wasn't one faulty deck. He noticed that the pattern on the back of all the cards made by this company arent uniform on top and bottom. By getting the dealer to turn the cards he was essentially marking them. It's the dealer's fault but if Ivy didn't pay him or have an agreement then the casino is shite out of luck.
What's going to be the casino's saving grace is if Ivy was tipping the dealer while playing, especially big tips or increasing tips after big wins.
What's going to be the casino's saving grace is if Ivy was tipping the dealer while playing, especially big tips or increasing tips after big wins.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:17 pm to JG77056
Anybody notice this part?
They don't shuffle?
quote:
The company is also fighting a lawsuit from another Atlantic City casino, the Golden Nugget, claiming the firm provided unshuffled cards that led to gamblers beating the casino for $1.5 million. Gemaco did not respond to a request for comment.
They don't shuffle?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:24 pm to JG77056
quote:
What's going to be the casino's saving grace is if Ivy was tipping the dealer while playing, especially big tips or increasing tips after big wins.
Who doesn't increase their tips after big wins?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:26 pm to Tallerthansaban
quote:New Jersey is a strange place for casinos. I wouldn't be surprised to see the gaming regulators fine the casino for using defective cards.
If the deck was defective that is the casino's responsibility to catch it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:26 pm to BrotherEsau
The bottom line is the casino failed 10 different ways for this to happen. If I am Ivey's attorney I would subpoena the names of every person who played in the pit that night and start a class action against them for using faulty cards. They may not win but the casino does not want that kind of headline and would probably back off.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:34 pm to twoliter
casino got what they deserve. They don't refund people who they screw out of money.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:39 pm to Tallerthansaban
quote:
The bottom line is the casino failed 10 different ways for this to happen. If I am Ivey's attorney I would subpoena the names of every person who played in the pit that night and start a class action against them for using faulty cards. They may not win but the casino does not want that kind of headline and would probably back off.
The casino is essentially saying these cards were perfectly fine for taking other people's money in those pits but not for when they won, due to this defect.
I find that interesting
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:09 pm to twoliter
This guy is so awesome.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:27 pm to twoliter
quote:
It's always cheating if somebody figures out how to beat the house.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:34 pm to TIGERSTORM
If counting cards they don't and can't refuse to pay. They will ask you to play another game or leave, and thyley will trespass you, but they can't refuse to pay. And, in New Jersey they can't even trespass you for counting. Thank you Ken Uston, for standing up to those bastards on that issue.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:37 pm to DawgCountry
It would also set a very bad precedent to give the money back to the casino. It would send the message to casinos to let a cheater play all night. He might get unlucky and lose his money anyway, but if he wins you can just sue him and get it back. You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:49 pm to Tallerthansaban
Also in the future any time a high roller won big the casino could just say "oops sorry there was a tiny flaw on one of those cards." "We won't be able to pay you out". There is no way the courts can give a casino an out like that.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:13 pm to foshizzle
quote:
In Atlantic City, what Ivy did is illegal. So is card counting. I fully agree that it should not be illegal, but that's how the law reads up there.
That is CATEGORICALLY false. It is absolutely not illegal to count cards in New Jersey. Where did you get that bullshite statement from? You must have pulled it completely out of your arse because it has no basis in fact. See Uston v. Resorts Int'l Hotel, Inc., 445 A.2d 370 (N.J. 1982).
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:15 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Can they prove he was doing that?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:
Zero sympathy for the casino given. Their fault. Shut up, Get better cards, and learn from it. I should cry because a casino lost 9.6 million dollars? Do they cry when they fleece people out of much more money? No, so, who cares? You lost and it's your own damn fault too. Cry me a river.
This. I have yet to see a casino tell someone "sorry sir, you're too drunk to bet".
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:57 pm to Tallerthansaban
Quality assurance is the burden/responsibility of the casino, not the patron.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:32 pm to Goldrush25
BUMP. Ivey loses all of his winnings in London court. I think this is a BS ruling. The casino surely would take his money if he had lost in same scenario.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:37 pm to weadjust
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You left out the part where the dealer may have been involved.
If the dealer truly was involved then yes, it's cheating. But just reading the description here it seems Ivy noticed the defect and asked the dealer to deal in a way that helped him spot that card later. I see nothing wrong with this.
That said, whether it is "wrong" in some moral sense is probably irrelevant, what matters here is what is legal.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:44 pm to foshizzle
I just watched the showtime sports segment about it. Ivey was upfront about it. He wired 3 mil to the casino, requested a specific type of deck, a specific type of shuffling machine and an Asian dealer.
The casino complied with all requests. He knew and freely admits he went in knowing he could exploit them.
The dealer was not in in it, he/she just flipped the cards in a manner that Iveys associate requested.
In my opinion, the casino complied with every request. Ivey did not break any laws, therefore the money should belong to him. Labeling him as a cheater is just flat out wrong and ignorant of the facts. If Ivey is a cheater, then every casino on the planet is cheating.
The casino complied with all requests. He knew and freely admits he went in knowing he could exploit them.
The dealer was not in in it, he/she just flipped the cards in a manner that Iveys associate requested.
In my opinion, the casino complied with every request. Ivey did not break any laws, therefore the money should belong to him. Labeling him as a cheater is just flat out wrong and ignorant of the facts. If Ivey is a cheater, then every casino on the planet is cheating.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:47 pm to MikeD
Well cant they watch the tape and rwfund him for all hannds he lost?
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