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re: Todd McShay's New Mock Draft Has The Saints Taking.....
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:35 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:35 am to Patrick O Rly
Got me? Hardly. See the edit.
Despite the extremes talent still wins out.
Despite the extremes talent still wins out.
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:36 am to bonethug0108
R U ready?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:40 am to Patrick O Rly
Ready for my posts to be taken out of context and misrepresented? Not really I'm about to go to work, but holla back at lunch time.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:44 am to bonethug0108
Aw baby, don't be like that.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:49 am to Meateye
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have you been hurt repeatedly by someone saying that size does matter?
Meateye HOF reply
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:59 am to Patrick O Rly
Not you, Lester. I'd never call you those dirty names.
Bastard.
Bastard.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:59 am to bonethug0108
I have to disdainfully, regrettably, and unfortunately sort of agree with lester here. I have a certain caveat though, weight has to be included into "size", not just height. Size is super important when it comes to draft position. If you are arguing between two cb's that are within a round of each other; talent is usually close to a wash or ambiguous (different conf's, diff opponents) so size plays a key role in differentiation. We've seen it time and time again, draft after draft where guys get overlooked bc of their size, bc potential is also a huge factor. How many FO's do you think just completely overlooked russel wilson bc he is 5'11", yet guys like Brandon Weeden got drafted way ahead of him bc they are a few inches taller and thus their ceiling is potentially higher. The draft is basically about grabbing whatever you can to differentiate players; that's why the 40yd dash, an almost completely irrelevant portrayal of speed which barely correlates to football speed, is glorified so much.
Yes, talent is more important but that's like saying having a driver in the seat is more important than a car's engine in a race.
That being said, the argument stemmed from verret and fuller right? I'd take fuller all day every day, bc he's bigger; both of the guys appear to be on an even plane as far as talent. Fuller is 2 inches taller and a little over 20lbs heavier while only running .11 seconds slower. One has their head in the sand if they don't think that makes a massive distinction. Fuller is going to have a much easier time tackling people in the NFL just bc he is bigger.
Would verret not be a much higher draft pick if he was 6'0" or 6'1"?
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
Yes, talent is more important but that's like saying having a driver in the seat is more important than a car's engine in a race.
That being said, the argument stemmed from verret and fuller right? I'd take fuller all day every day, bc he's bigger; both of the guys appear to be on an even plane as far as talent. Fuller is 2 inches taller and a little over 20lbs heavier while only running .11 seconds slower. One has their head in the sand if they don't think that makes a massive distinction. Fuller is going to have a much easier time tackling people in the NFL just bc he is bigger.
Would verret not be a much higher draft pick if he was 6'0" or 6'1"?
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:11 am to Pendulum
the one thing that y'all are leaving out of this argument is the fact that a 5'10" guy is usually way more agile that I'm 6'4" guy
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:22 am to Meateye
Sherman is 6'3" and what he lacks in agility, he makes up for in constant holding.
eta
I'm surprised the heights dont move as much as you'd think but the weight to height ratio is accelerating rather quickly.
eta
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1970 to 2006 avg size of NFL players including wr's
I'm surprised the heights dont move as much as you'd think but the weight to height ratio is accelerating rather quickly.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:24 am to goatmilker
I think that with the emergence of people like Jimmy Graham, with the reason he is such a mismatch is his height, that you start to see teams go after taller Corners and Safeties.
Very nice!
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Very nice!
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:27 am to Meateye
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Very nice!
Nah...not HD
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:46 am to Pendulum
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I'm surprised the heights dont move as much as you'd think
Thought the same.
Not HD but oh so 70's
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:07 am to goatmilker
She kinda looks like Christina Aguilera
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:57 am to Meateye
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the one thing that y'all are leaving out of this argument is the fact that a 5'10" guy is usually way more agile that I'm 6'4" guy
depends on the position. There are only two or three 6'3"+ CBs in the NFL for a reason. Yes, agility is a big part of that.
Every position has a prototypical size in which a player's talent can be maximized. And each position is different.
Has bonethug done his assignment and found all the sub 5'10" WRs that have been drafted in the top 10? I honestly can't believe people are opposing this height theory. Of course its bonethug and patrick o rly. lol
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:45 pm to Lester Earl
Im really not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Like I said I think you start to see taller Corners and Safeties. But I also don't think its necessary for them to be 6'4". 5'10"-6'0" guys with talent can play up that height.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:58 pm to Meateye
size and speed are huge factors for WRs. I rank hands even more important tho.
Jerry Rice 4.7 40 at the Combine
Jerry Rice 4.7 40 at the Combine
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:31 pm to Pendulum
quote:I've said that already. I don't disagree with the size thing when guys have similar ability.
If you are arguing between two cb's that are within a round of each other; talent is usually close to a wash or ambiguous (different conf's, diff opponents) so size plays a key role in differentiation
I disagree that size plays a bigger role than talent. I'm not talking about the examples of similar talent with a size difference having the taller guy go first. I'm taking about that 6'3" CB that has a 3-4th round grade vs. a 5'10" guy with a first round grade.
The similar talent with size being a differentiator is something I completely grasp and agree with.
quote:Bingo. My argument is that talent matters more than size and size is a small piece of the puzzle that really only factors in when talent is similar.
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
Lester is taking that and turning it into something about me saying size doesn't matter at all, which I never said.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:14 am to Meateye
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25 Chargers Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
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56 49ers Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
If these 2 players fall this far, I would really hope the Saints make a play for one of them. Or both
Saints get Gilbert in 1st and Matthews in the 2nd and I'll explode
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 6:15 am
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