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re: Draft Needs
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:01 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:01 am to bonethug0108
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Armstead was blown up in the first half of the panthers game and has been solid since.
He wasn't even active for the rams game.
Refresh my memory: Was it Brown that got destroyed by the Rams, then Armstead was activated and came in the next game against Carolina (or did he start) and got beat pretty badly too? Then Armstead did well against Tampa and Philly...
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:06 am to Suntiger
Yes.
He played poorly in one half game.
Brown and particularly Lelito got annihilated versus the rams.
He played poorly in one half game.
Brown and particularly Lelito got annihilated versus the rams.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:07 am to Suntiger
quote:
Refresh my memory: Was it Brown that got destroyed by the Rams, then Armstead was activated and came in the next game against Carolina (or did he start) and got beat pretty badly too? Then Armstead did well against Tampa and Philly...
i think brown got blown up, strief went to LT and someone went to RT (I forgot who)
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:14 am to Suntiger
quote:
Refresh my memory: Was it Brown that got destroyed by the Rams, then Armstead was activated and came in the next game against Carolina (or did he start) and got beat pretty badly too? Then Armstead did well against Tampa and Philly...
Armstead struggled with his technique (hand placement/footwork) against Carolina but corrected those issues & looked very solid against Tampa, Philly & Seattle. His run blocking against Seattle was outstanding.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:51 am to Rand AlThor
I agree, but I still stand by my point that WR is a big need and Colston is no longer a legit #1 WR on our team (even if you count Graham as our #1 threat).
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:55 am to Suntiger
I understand what you are saying, but I disagree to the extent that we don't need a WR on the outside that can be a #1 threat. Graham gets shut down and Colston can not get separation any more. We need a guy that can get separation out of his breaks (not just a deep threat, runs good routes, and catch the ball consistently. We do not need a CJ, Dez, A.J. Green type, but we do need a Colston replacement.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:02 pm to BigBrod81
Not only did he correct it, but he corrected it in the second half of the panthers game and looked really solid since. No questions there in my mind, especially given the teams/players he faced.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:04 pm to Seeker
quote:You don't get 75 catches and almost 1,000 yards by not getting separation.
Colston can not get separation any more.
It may have been true in Moore's case, but not Colston's.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:08 pm to bonethug0108
Most of Colston's receptions last year, especially in the back half of the season, came on routes designed for players who can't separate but can catch in tight windows. Curls, comebacks, etc
Eta: not based on any official stats, just something I noticed myself. I especially noticed it in the Carolina game when he finally did something and I observed it constantly after that
Eta: not based on any official stats, just something I noticed myself. I especially noticed it in the Carolina game when he finally did something and I observed it constantly after that
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:09 pm to bonethug0108
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Not only did he correct it, but he corrected it in the second half of the panthers game and looked really solid since. No questions there in my mind, especially given the teams/players he faced.
No doubt. The kid is extremely talented. He has the talent to be a cornerstone LT & perennial Pro Bowler if continues to improve with his technique. He has that type of ability.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:12 pm to bonethug0108
We can disagree, but he is more of a post up WR than a YAC/Deep threat that can get separation out of his breaks like he used to. When he was drafted he had the fastest 10 yrd split of any WR coming out that year. Several knee surgeries later he is not the same player. At this point, IMO, he is a #2 WR for most teams in the league and we would be better served to start grooming his replacement now.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:26 pm to Seeker
One could argue that Colston is a #2 who was forced to be a #1 for us by default.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:27 pm to Seeker
quote:Totally agree with that. He's never been a burner.
he is more of a post up WR than a YAC/Deep threat
quote:This measures separation much more than speed and he can stop and cut back to the ball as well as he always has. His game hasn't changed and he got just as much separation last year as he has in any recent year.
fastest 10 yrd split
Rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated. That said, I also agree that we should be looking for WRs, but I don't care what "role" they come from. As long as we are getting the best WR for where we pick I'll be happy.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:32 pm to bonethug0108
I disagree. He was much better at catching and separating earlier in his career than he has been the last couple of years and last year was IMO a very noticeable drop off in ability. He is not a #1 WR any more. It is hard to let a player go and see them decline, but it is pretty obvious.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:45 pm to Seeker
See you're comparing the first couple to the last couple. Of course there is going to be some decline, but it's not like he is far worse than last year, or the year before, or the year before that.
The decline has been very gradual with him and not some sudden drop off like most are claiming.
As for catching, he only had one drop last year and had the lowest drop rate of anyone on the team outside of the 4 guys with no drops, of which only Sproles had similar targets.
The decline has been very gradual with him and not some sudden drop off like most are claiming.
As for catching, he only had one drop last year and had the lowest drop rate of anyone on the team outside of the 4 guys with no drops, of which only Sproles had similar targets.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:00 pm to bonethug0108
Gradual decline or not the Colston today is not better than a #2 who is on his last legs. It does not change that we need a better player as our #1 WR. OBJ would be a great pick for us.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:01 pm to bonethug0108
JORDAN MATTHEWS
Nuff Said.
Nuff Said.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:19 pm to Seeker
quote:
Gradual decline or not the Colston today is not better than a #2 who is on his last legs.
What does this mean?
Colston lost a step but he is still going to be our 2nd leading pass catcher next year, barring injury. A WR we draft this season isn't going to be depended on to play a huge role, rather they will be another option/threat in the passing game. There is already a pecking order and it's going to be Graham/Colston/Stills and whatever the RBs contribute. A rookie will more than likely be the 4th option.
There are 1 or 2 rookie WRs a year who go gangbusters and become their team's best WR. The Saints have always been more about the sum of all it's parts in the passing game.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:36 pm to GynoSandberg
Which is why I said we would be better served to start grooming his replacement this year. I disagree about a rookie not coming in and playing a huge role. Meachem was hurt coming in as a rookie, but still had 24 per reception average and 3 TDs, Colston had a great rookie season, as did Graham, as did Stills.
This is a very deep draft at WR. There is a very likely chance that we draft Colston's eventual replacement at some point this year.
This is a very deep draft at WR. There is a very likely chance that we draft Colston's eventual replacement at some point this year.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:48 pm to Seeker
It read like you thought we would draft a WR who would unseat Colston as our WR1 this season.
I think everyone can agree we will draft a possible WR1 of the future this year.
Stills could even possibly be that guy, who knows. He was a distant 6th on the team in targets last season. No Sproles or Moore (and hopefully less of Pierre), so he is already moving up the distribution chart.
I think everyone can agree we will draft a possible WR1 of the future this year.
Stills could even possibly be that guy, who knows. He was a distant 6th on the team in targets last season. No Sproles or Moore (and hopefully less of Pierre), so he is already moving up the distribution chart.
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