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re: Safety in early rounds?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:38 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:38 pm to GynoSandberg
That's the feeling I'm getting here
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
quote:What if Evans gets hurt again, or Brees, or Graham, or Lewis, or Byrd?
What if Colston gets hurt? Or even Stills? How fricked are we?
You are the one being extremely short sighted. This isn't about one position and one year. This is about the team as a whole and how we look going into the future.
WR is not in the dire straits it is being made out to be, but yes of course it could be better.
You can say the same fricking thing about almost every position on the team. Our LBs sure in the hell could be a lot better, as could our CBs. That's why they are right there with WR.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:44 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:I've been wrong and have admitted as such before.
gotta play both sides.. that way you can never be wrong on the internets. It's a pretty big deal
I've taken strong stances where I see fit, like Vaccaro was going to be a good player and J. Jones is going to be a bust. I still stand by that, and if Jones proves me wrong so be it.
I've also said things like I really think Tez is going to blow up, and that John Jenkins wouldn't be the starter or an every down player, especially not in his first year. I was proven wrong(mostly, not all the way on Jenkins) on both accounts.
I've also said we don't NEED a pass rusher but there is nothing wrong with taking one if he is BPA. Not sure how that's playing both sides.
Same thing here. WR is a bigger priority, but if we did go into the season as is the wheels wouldn't fall off. It's not like Carolina's situation, which is how many are acting.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:45 pm to Lester Earl
WR is a priority in this draft. We need dynamic playmakers at the position. Not players brees has to develop or make look good. This position needs a massive upgrade from what we have period.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:46 pm to bonethug0108
We could work around injuries by those guys.
We can't play a regular season game with Andy tanner/nick toon/joe Morgan as our WR2.
Colston is 31, always nicked up, and slowing down. He's played a lot of downs and has taken a lton of hits. It's time to reload there. That's called foresight, not short sight.
Nothing tells me those other guys are on the fritz. You just have to trust they'll remain healthy.
It would be hard to live with if Byrd was an aging, yet still productive 34 year old safety and they would ignore the depth behind him. Both for the near and long term future.
We can't play a regular season game with Andy tanner/nick toon/joe Morgan as our WR2.
Colston is 31, always nicked up, and slowing down. He's played a lot of downs and has taken a lton of hits. It's time to reload there. That's called foresight, not short sight.
Nothing tells me those other guys are on the fritz. You just have to trust they'll remain healthy.
It would be hard to live with if Byrd was an aging, yet still productive 34 year old safety and they would ignore the depth behind him. Both for the near and long term future.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:48 pm to whodatfan
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WR is a priority in this draft
It's a priority, but we'd be just fine with what we have, apparently
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:49 pm to whodatfan
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WR is a priority in this draft. We need dynamic playmakers at the position. Not players brees has to develop or make look good. This position needs a massive upgrade from what we have period.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:55 pm to bonethug0108
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What if Evans gets hurt again, or Brees, or Graham, or Lewis, or Byrd?
Injuries are a part of the game. You hope they don't occur to key players but it's always a factor in how team's seasons play out.
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WR is not in the dire straits it is being made out to be, but yes of course it could be better.
The situation isn't dire straits but it could be if it goes unaddressed. Our main, go to receiver has a bad wheel. No one knows how that will effect an older Colston moving forward. That leaves Stills as the only healthy, reliable WR. Everyone wants to believe the other receivers on the roster will develop but all we have to go by off on them is past history & that history is quite bleak.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Nicked up is about as far as you can go with Colston. He's missed only 4 games in 5 years. Going all the way back he's missed 11 in 8. One bad injury his whole career and that was only 5 games.
Colston is 31, always nicked up
So I wouldn't say you could expect Colston to get hurt enough to miss time more than any other player.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:58 pm to GynoSandberg
I wouldn't rule out double dipping at WR in this draft. If we draft one, that helps us out this season, but there's a decent chance that we have to cut Colston in 2015. That puts us in the same position next offseason, and WR's typically take until year 3 to get going. Would like to use an early pick on a stud and land a guy like Abbrederis or Josh Huff in the 3rd or 4th round.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:02 pm to bonethug0108
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Nicked up is about as far as you can go with Colston.
It's one thing to be 25 & nicked up then it is 31 & nicked up especially for a receiver who already is limited in the speed & quickness aspect of his game.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:06 pm to bonethug0108
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Nicked up is about as far as you can go with Colston. He's missed only 4 games in 5 years. Going all the way back he's missed 11 in 8. One bad injury his whole career and that was only 5 games
He plays hurt more than he plays healthy. I never said he missed games. I said he was always nicked up.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:08 pm to BigBrod81
Didn't seem to have too much affect on his game last year, or the year before, or the year before that. Guy's been pretty damn steady even with the nicks.
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Yeah that's why I said that's as far as you can go with him. He's a baller and still puts up pro bowl stats yearly despite those nicks.
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Yeah that's why I said that's as far as you can go with him. He's a baller and still puts up pro bowl stats yearly despite those nicks.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:10 pm to Lester Earl
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He plays hurt more than he plays healthy. I never said he missed games. I said he was always nicked up.
Yep. Sooner rather then later those nicks begin to effect an aging players ability to remain as productive as that player had been in the past.
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Yeah that's why I said that's as far as you can go with him. He's a baller and still puts up pro bowl stats yearly despite those nicks.
No doubt he's a baller. He's one of my all time favorites but the reality is those nicks will catch up to him. Father time remains undefeated & eventually Colston, like all aging players, will end up taking a loss.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:14 pm to bonethug0108
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Didn't seem to have too much affect on his game last year
His numbers were down across the board.
Catches, yards, TDs, YPC
It was the OL I guess.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:25 pm to Lester Earl
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Our WR as is, is not fine, guys
is it serviceable? yes.
is it going to be a weak point? yes.
will our passing game still be top 10? yes.
Fine =/= Need
Need is a center, that is a hole.
Need would be panthers with NO receivers.
we are FINE, fine as in its okay, but there could be improvement..
when you cry because your mom whooped your arse you were FINE, but you could be better.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:32 pm to htran90
Love your examples. 
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:34 pm to htran90
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we are FINE, fine as in its okay, but there could be improvement..
so fine as in OKAY, and not HIGH QUALITY or SATISFACTORY
Id hate to see how you categorize women
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will our passing game still be top 10? yes.
with 50% of our production coming from the TE and 2 RB's. Not exactly ideal.
That's really maximizing your 20mil dollar investment at QB
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:37 pm to Lester Earl
I'm not saying it is ideal or not.
You make it seem like if we don't upgrade it, we're going to suck. That isn't the case.
Do I think we can upgrade? Yes.
Will we? I'm pretty damn sure of it.
But to think if we don't upgrade it we are SOL and screwed, that is mistaken. It isn't ideal, and it wouldn't be a good FO move, but it isn't going to be the end of the world.
You make it seem like if we don't upgrade it, we're going to suck. That isn't the case.
Do I think we can upgrade? Yes.
Will we? I'm pretty damn sure of it.
But to think if we don't upgrade it we are SOL and screwed, that is mistaken. It isn't ideal, and it wouldn't be a good FO move, but it isn't going to be the end of the world.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:38 pm to htran90
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You make it seem like if we don't upgrade it, we're going to suck. That isn't the case.
we wont suck, but we wont be winning anything of note.
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Do I think we can upgrade? Yes.
Will we? I'm pretty damn sure of it.
yup. See above.
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