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re: Comic Book Bracket(Marvel Finalized) Updated OP 3/22/14 11:45am

Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:38 am to
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:38 am to
quote:

There are less villains and people often know less about them. And they are often overpowered, or over-recognized for something extreme which skews perception.


Yeah, but I have a hard time leaving out guys like

Magneto
Joker
Doomsday
Doc. Ock
Mystique
Mr. Freeze
Red Scull
Scarecrow
Shredder
Green Goblin
Loki
Venom
Carnage
Bane
Ra's Al-Ghul
Lex Luthor
Dr. Doom
Catwoman
Predator
Sinestro
Brainiac
Black Adam
Juggernaut
Bullseye
Mr. Sinistr
General Zod
Professor Zoom
Deathstroke
Sentinels
Zemo
Kraven
Abomination
Lizard
Poison Ivy
Cheetah
Mandarin, The
Electro
Omega Red
Despero
MODOK
Wesly fricking Gibson











Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:40 am to
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I mean, that would be awesome, but also be a BIG project


No need to rush it. Its suppose to be fun, i'd rather take my time so that it comes out right.

Once the voting starts, everything will go quickly.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:52 am to
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No need to rush it. Its suppose to be fun, i'd rather take my time so that it comes out right.

Once the voting starts, everything will go quickly.



As someone who's ran many, many voting/tourneys on here, the bigger the scope the harder it is to do. The more rules debates happen will come into play, the longer it will take, and the less rewarding it will be.

Keep it manageable look at the 48 heroes I posted. Start there, as there's really no debate with those in terms of "ability to discuss" in voting threads. Make a new thread to vote on 16 slots, most are predictable (Punisher will make it. Maybe Dardevil or Black Panther, Fire, etc.). Don't count votes, just take the general feel from the thread. It will be obvious who should go. have the last say (I always have to do this with Movie threads, we don't make it to "100 films," so I take a feel for myself of the discussion and add those films to round everything out).

Finish off heroes. Complete that tournament.

Then do a second tournament for villains. This thread got 9 pages in less than 2 days, if you get down to voting now, you can have a complete 64 bracket by Sunday or Monday and voting next week.

Just speaking from experience.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 10:53 am
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:57 am to
Thank you for the advice.

I will take in under advisement, and probably listen to you.
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:17 am to
Marvel Heroes Only

1.) Black Bolt
2.) Black Panther
3.) Cable
4.) Captain America
5.) Cyclops
6.) Dare Devil
7.) Deadpool
8.) Ghost Rider
9.) Hulk
10.) Human Torch, The
11.) Iceman
12.) Iron-Man
13.) Jean Grey (No Phoenix Force)
14.) Luke Cage
15.) Moon Knight
16.) Namor
17.) Nova
18.) Psylocke
19.) Punisher
20.) Quickilver
21.) Spider-Man
22.) Storm
23.) Sue Storm
24.) Wolverine
25.)
26.)

Two open slots

Still up for grabs

Gambit
Dr. Strange (Too Strong?)
Havok
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Colossus
Iron Fist
Mr. Fantastic
Nightcrawler (Ultimate Spammer?)
She-Hulk
Vision (god-tier?)


Two open slots, speak now or forever hold your peace.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:24 am to
Put in Gambit and Colossus. They are the most recognizable characters, I think.

Vision is probably too strong and so is Dr. Strange.

Just to be clear, we're doing 26 Marvel Heroes, then 26 DC Heroes, and 12 outside heroes?

If so, I would suggest updating the OP with the parameters (and updating the subject matter to say that the thread has been updated on 3/21/14 at 11:00am). Vote on the last two in, the other 24 are set.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:26 am
Posted by Smokedawg
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:25 am to
Gambit
Colossus
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:36 am to
quote:

bigpetedatiga


I think you have a very specific idea in your head that you aren't communicating to the rest. Is that true?

I just can't see a Marvel tournament with Moon Knight (who is awesome), Luke Cage (who is also awesome), Quicksilver (who sucks), Invisible Woman and Namor over a Dr. Strange, Thor and Silver Surfer. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Honestly, the only one of those who should even be near the tournament is Namor. Maybe.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:43 am to
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I just can't see a Marvel tournament with Moon Knight (who is awesome), Luke Cage (who is also awesome), Quicksilver (who sucks), Invisible Woman and Namor over a Dr. Strange, Thor and Silver Surfer. Makes absolutely no sense to me.


I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want to include Dr. Strange on account of the fact that he is close to, if not actually, god-tier. The same is true of Thor and Silver Surfer. He wants a contest between characters who are not so powerful that they can wipe out a hundred other superheroes in the blink of an eye, like all three of those can.
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:44 am to
I'm just trying to balance it out to be honest. I was hoping for the tournament to be more of a purist tournament then a popularity contest.

I'm hoping to have matchups that people have to think about. If you throw in Thor, silver surfer, dr. strange where is the real debate and fun. It's kinda like Batman on the DC side. He will always win because he's Batman.

Like I said, my feet are not dug in on this. I'm open to whatever the consensus is. I just want a successful and fun tournament.

now with that being said, I know everyone will not be pleased. I'm still trying to get a feel of how we want this to go. Once we settle this, everything else will go quickly. Its just such a slippery slop. If you put in Thor and Surfer, you can not exclude Legion, Vision, Galactus, etc.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:45 am to
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I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want to include Dr. Strange on account of the fact that he is close to, if not actually, god-tier. The same is true of Thor and Silver Surfer. He wants a contest between characters who are not so powerful that they can wipe out a hundred other superheroes in the blink of an eye, like all three of those can.


This
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:47 am to
quote:

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want to include Dr. Strange on account of the fact that he is close to, if not actually, god-tier. The same is true of Thor and Silver Surfer. He wants a contest between characters who are not so powerful that they can wipe out a hundred other superheroes in the blink of an eye, like all three of those can.


Again if that's the case:

No:
Deadpool
Wolverine
Jean Grey (even without the Phoenix force, she's monumentally dangerous)
SUPERMAN
Flash
Hulk (infinite strength idealistically)
Human Torch
Iceman
Shazam
Black Bolt
Cable


The list of extremely powerful characters is pretty long. So we're really talk about, best Fighter then:
Punisher
Moon Knight
Dare Devil
etc.

If that's the case, let's do it. That just means Nightwing wins.
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Just to be clear, we're doing 26 Marvel Heroes, then 26 DC Heroes, and 12 outside heroes?


Yes

quote:

If so, I would suggest updating the OP with the parameters (and updating the subject matter to say that the thread has been updated on 3/21/14 at 11:00am). Vote on the last two in, the other 24 are set.


I will shortly.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:48 am to
quote:

This


No Cable.
Posted by illuminatic
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:48 am to
If you are excluding Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Thor etc. because they are too strong, then Ghost Rider shouldn't belong in the tourney either.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:49 am to
nm, didn't see that discussions on rules were still going on.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:59 am
Posted by bigpetedatiga
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:52 am to
quote:

No Cable.


Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37483 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:52 am to
quote:

quote:

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want to include Dr. Strange on account of the fact that he is close to, if not actually, god-tier. The same is true of Thor and Silver Surfer. He wants a contest between characters who are not so powerful that they can wipe out a hundred other superheroes in the blink of an eye, like all three of those can.



This


quote:

2.) Black Panther
4.) Captain America
6.) Dare Devil
12.) Iron-Man
14.) Luke Cage
15.) Moon Knight
19.) Punisher


That would be your start then.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
37483 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:55 am to
quote:

quote:

No Cable.







Cable is like a Top 4 telepath. Only behind Jean and Xavier.

quote:

to whom he is genetically identical. At their height, he demonstrated the ability to simultaneously levitate the floating city of Providence and combat the Silver Surfer.[33]


LINK
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:57 am
Posted by bigpetedatiga
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2009
8631 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:57 am to
1.) Black Panther
2.) Cable
3.) Captain America
4.) Colossus
5.) Cyclops
6.) Dare Devil
7.) Deadpool
8.) Dr. Strange
9.) Ghost Rider
10.) Hulk
11.) Human Torch, The
12.) Iceman
13.) Jean Grey
14.) Namor
15.) Nova
16.) Psylocke
17.) Silver Surfer
18.) Spider-Man
19.) Storm
20.) Thor
21.) Punisher
22.) Viision
23.) Wolverine
24.) Iron-Man
25.) Black Bolt
26.) ?

How about this list? Any better?
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