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Well that's the fricking point, Chuckles.
Did you call me Chuckles?

I understand the point Tyson was making. My question is why spend so much time, almost half the show, using Bruno to make that point if not to paint the Church and Christians in a bad light. The show makes it look like that his belief in an infinite universe was the only reason Bruno was burned at the stake. It wasn't even close to being the main reason. Besides he wasn't even the first nor the only person to espouse an infinite universe.






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My question is why spend so much time, almost half the show, using Bruno to make that point if not to paint the Church and Christians in a bad light


I agree that they spent too much time on it. It was a lame story. Still, it is totally fair to paint the Church and Christians in a bad light. They were total dickheads.

I think that one of the main goals of this cosmos series is to get young people excited about science and interested in becoming scientists. That is why Tyson talked about Carl Sagan and how he was one of the biggest inspirations to him and many others to become an astrophysicist.

The Bruno story makes sense from that perspective, because it goes to show how lucky we are to be alive today, in a time when we can pursue scientific research without persecution. Most of our scientific advancement has occurred only in the past couple hundred years.






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I agree that they spent too much time on it. It was a lame story. Still, it is totally fair to paint the Church and Christians in a bad light. They were total dickheads.
The Inquisitions were horrible no one denies that.

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I think that one of the main goals of this cosmos series is to get young people excited about science and interested in becoming scientists. That is why Tyson talked about Carl Sagan and how he was one of the biggest inspirations to him and many others to become an astrophysicist.
They can do that without casting stones at Christians.

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The Bruno story makes sense from that perspective, because it goes to show how lucky we are to be alive today, in a time when we can pursue scientific research without persecution.
No it does not. Bruno did not use the scientific method to come up with his infinite universe theory nor did he but forth any proof that it existed. Bruno was burned at the stake for his philosophical beliefs not his scientific beliefs. There were plenty of others that followed in the steps of Copernicus and were not put to death. The more I think about it the more I believe that the Bruno segment was an unnecessary dig at the Church and Christianity :



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Alahunter



Using the King James Bible doesn't help your argument.

He revised the Bible at a much later date than the Roman Catholic Bible. Also, he changed a good bit.

But, the world was proven to be round well before the New Testament came to be.






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Church and Christians in a bad light.


well. the Church did set back free thinking and innovation by about 1400 years.

(meaning the renaissance was just a rehashing of arts and sciences that already existed in Roman times. Then through the printing press the renaissance was able to spawn the industrial era.)




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well. the Church did set back free thinking and innovation by about 1400 years.



Tru dat






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the Church did set back free thinking and innovation by about 1400 years.


As far as we know. Who knows the technological advances and free thinking and innovation mankind has lost over time.

For instance...

Look at the Antikythera mechanism that was discovered in 1900. It is dated to the first century BC, yet it took until 2006 to discover it's purpose. And the craftsmanship, complexity and precision of it as a tool, wasn't rediscovered for 1400 years.

If you're not familiar with this device, it was discovered in a shipwreck off of Greece. It contained 20 bronze gears and the device used a small handcrank that allowed setting of the date on the front dial. The action of turning the hand crank would also cause all interlocked gears within the mechanism to rotate, resulting in the calculation of the position of the Sun and Moon and other astronomical information, such as moon phases, eclipse cycles, and theoretically the locations of planets.

It is comparable to 14th century astronomical clocks.

Now, this is but one single piece of machinery that shows the knowledge in the time B.C.. Imagine what could have been lost in territorial wars between civilizations in the thousands of years before that. Imagine the knowledge lost when the Ancient Library of Alexandria was destroyed. Much, much more could have set back civilization, for much longer times, than religion or Christianity.



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well. the Church did set back free thinking and innovation by about 1400 years.






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So you're saying the church encouraged free thinkers and welcomed new ideas?





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La Place Mike
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So you're saying the church encouraged free thinkers and welcomed new ideas?

Nope.






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Now, this is but one single piece of machinery that shows the knowledge in the time B.C.. Imagine what could have been lost in territorial wars between civilizations in the thousands of years before that. Imagine the knowledge lost when the Ancient Library of Alexandria was destroyed. Much, much more could have set back civilization, for much longer times, than religion or Christianity.


The loss of the House of Wisdom was even more sickening. They had files that were older than 2500 BC. When the Mongols came to Baghdad, they destroyed the library and threw so many books in the river that the Euphrates river ran black. It was intense to say the least.






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The loss of the House of Wisdom was even more sickening. They had files that were older than 2500 BC. When the Mongols came to Baghdad, they destroyed the library and threw so many books in the river that the Euphrates river ran black. It was intense to say the least.
What church did the Mongols belong to?





























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What church did the Mongols belong to?


Some were Christian but they were tolerant of all.. The khan dynasty was made up of Turks, Chinese and middle eastern peoples also.






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Some were Christian but they were tolerant of all.. The khan dynasty was made up of Turks, Chinese and middle eastern peoples also.


Tell that to the Persians. I would not say that the Mongols were tolerant whatsoever. They were efficient and it made more sense to not kill every man, woman, and child that surrendered to them. The Persians refused under any circumstance, which led to the most brutal siege in the past thousand years. No one since Attila had come close.



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Maybe I shouldn't have used "all".. Most*





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I just watched the entire first episode and saw nothing whatsoever that would lead me to believe that this show has a tilt against religion. If anything, the vision Bruno had is IMO a great example of a vision from God. If I was a Catholic, I would be demanding he be sainted.

Maybe the second episode is different. As a Christian it really does bother me when people take shots at religion (and I really mean Christianity because no one outside of Bill Maher and South Park dare go near Islam, and it is cool to be Jewish or Buddhist). It isn't edgy or cool. It is actually pretty commonplace at this point. It pisses me off almost as much as when an Atheist tries to tell me how I'm supposed to act as a Christian.

Just a side note, I have always been more than happy to accept anything related to science. But as a historian, I also know the history of science is a history of thinking that something is known and then realizing maybe they were basing that off of incorrect observations. I think it is awfully arrogant of anyone to say decisively this is the way things are and that's just it. Because over the centuries, that's never how things work out. Carl Sagan spent his last years as a staunch global warming alarmist, and well...anyway.

I really liked NdGT as a host. You could tell he was really getting emotional at the end when speaking about Sagan and that day together. That anecdote really wrapped the show up nicely.







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The Mongols wanted to wipe out everyone, it just didn't make sense from a logistics standpoint. Only Persia completely defied them, which led to the most horrifying siege ever. Every single person found was killed, first if fortunate, and if not they experienced some horrors between being captured and death.





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well. the Church did set back free thinking and innovation by about 1400 years.



Tru dat
What the frick are you two tards even talking about? This kind of BS is exactly what I'm talking about pissing me off. It's so cool to hate Christianity isn't it? I'll bet you two go to little groups and bitch about the "religious right" and pass around a garbage can to shite out of your mouths into.






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I'll bet you two go to little groups and bitch about the "religious right" and pass around a garbage can to shite out of your mouths into.






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