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Hypothetical: Pelicans acquire long-term SF, what to do with Anderson?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:34 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:34 am
Just for shits and giggles, Pelicans acquire a Batum type guy for Gordon/Rivers/Evans/Ajinca.
Now you're looking at AD getting 75% of PF minutes, and splitting SF minutes between Anderson and Batum.
I guess the real question is, do you include Anderson in a deal for that much needed SF and pick(s)? I'm on the fence with this one. I think there are a lot of desperate teams out there, most notably eastern conference teams that would give the world for Ryno.
Don't get me wrong though, I love Anderson's game. I love his contract, but several of the NBA's brightest analysts have been quoted saying that the 3-pointer is "fool's-gold", which I can agree with to an extent. Just a thought I had on the drive home.
Now you're looking at AD getting 75% of PF minutes, and splitting SF minutes between Anderson and Batum.
I guess the real question is, do you include Anderson in a deal for that much needed SF and pick(s)? I'm on the fence with this one. I think there are a lot of desperate teams out there, most notably eastern conference teams that would give the world for Ryno.
Don't get me wrong though, I love Anderson's game. I love his contract, but several of the NBA's brightest analysts have been quoted saying that the 3-pointer is "fool's-gold", which I can agree with to an extent. Just a thought I had on the drive home.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:14 am to CecilShortsHisPants
I don't see why acquiring a SF would affect Anderson at all. This staff wants to play Anderson/Davis together and one of those guys will be on the court at all times. Anderson doesn't play the 3 so all this does is give more spacing. A Batum type of player would crash the boards when Anderson floats to the perimeter similarly to what Aminu does. The only difference is the SF would actually be a threat to shoot and actually provides spacing.
In terms of spacing, a SF who can shoot and rebound is the final missing piece. We'd have spacing similarly to what you see at Golden State and that's pretty disgusting if you think about it.
In terms of spacing, a SF who can shoot and rebound is the final missing piece. We'd have spacing similarly to what you see at Golden State and that's pretty disgusting if you think about it.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:25 am to supe12sta12z
What sf you know can put up 19/7 for 7 mil
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:54 am to 504ByrdGang
Ariza, Parsons, Heyward?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:00 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Holiday
Evans
Batum
Anderson
Davis
...would be an incredible lineup
Evans
Batum
Anderson
Davis
...would be an incredible lineup
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:13 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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Now you're looking at AD getting 75% of PF minutes, and splitting SF minutes between Anderson and Batum.
Anderson has never been and never will be a SF. He is a PF who has spent time on the court as a "SF" less than 1% of his time in the NBA.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:15 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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Parsons, Heyward?
Parson and Heyward are going to be making a lot more than 7 Mill on their next contract.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 5:05 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
This is so stupid. You can't just say a "batum like player." The league isn't abundant in "batum like players." We are most definitely not getting batum. Mention examples of who you think are "batum like players." He is a rarity because he is so versatile. When you think of versatile small forwards you have Durant and james at the forefront and batum maybe next. The next best most versatile player is gordon hayward which isn't going to happen. We would have to wrestle him away from the jazz by overpaying him with the cap space we don't have unless we trade eric Gordon. If we did trade Eric Gordon, I guarantee you center is a much more glaring need.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:07 pm to Noplacelikehome
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Anderson has never been and never will be a SF. He is a PF who has spent time on the court as a "SF" less than 1% of his time in the NBA.
This is not true, nor is it related to the topic. Anderson is a forward. He can play both the 3 and 4.
And the Batum reference was a hypothetical. Many players in the league, including Aminu, have the physical skills of Batum but aren't developed.
My question is this,
If we acquired someone who developed into a must start, 35 minute guy at SF, how does Anderson get his 35 minutes? Are you ok with him getting <30 minutes? Would you entertain the idea of including him in a trade for the right guy?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 10:25 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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splitting SF minutes between Anderson and Batum.
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This is not true, nor is it related to the topic. Anderson is a forward. He can play both the 3 and 4.
This is exactly what you posted. Every single minute Anderson has played this season has been with a PG, SG, and one of Aminu/Evans/Miller at SF. Last season was the same type of story. Look at 82games.com. He isn't a SF and can't play that position effectively.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 10:42 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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He can play both the 3 and 4.
No
And Davis has been playing center all season.
Evans has been playing SF.
Not sure why people keep saying we need a 3 and a 5 unless they aren't happy w those two. We can add depth there but you don't need starters at those positions
Posted on 2/16/14 at 10:51 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
I've always said that a 3 big man rotation with AD, ryno, and a bruising C taking up all the time at the 4&5 is the way to go.
Doesn't have shite to do with a true SF
I'd like to see ryno try a little time at SF against people like melo john leuer, though
Doesn't have shite to do with a true SF
I'd like to see ryno try a little time at SF against people like melo john leuer, though
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 11:13 pm to MrBlue105
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Holiday
Evans
Batum
Anderson
Davis
...would be an incredible lineup
Holiday-Gordon-Evans-Anderson-Davis was an unbelievably good unit all 16 games they played together. Let me remind you of their 9-5 (.643%) record together. Pelicans problems really don't lie too intensely in personnel, but in health of said personnel. However if Demps could turn Gordon into a 3/D guy with a low cap number who's capable of playing 30+ mins a night I'd be all for it
Posted on 2/16/14 at 11:23 pm to NOLAbaby
that center-less game is coming to an end. it was fun while it lasted. besides it's pretty well agreed upon around here that a lot of AD's effectiveness would be wasted with him stuck under the rim. situational is cool but we want a true center. were way too young and light in the arse to be successful without one. thats just my $0.02!
Posted on 2/16/14 at 11:25 pm to NOLAbaby
Don't respond to me with that shite. I don't want AD playing C
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:27 am to MrBlue105
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I don't want AD playing C
Me neither.
3 assumptions and another question:
I think we can all agree that ideally,
1. AD plays PF only
2. Pelicans acquire a big time C
3. Ryno needs 30-35 minutes
That being said, since most of you seem to believe Ryno "cannot play SF", What the fack do you do with him when AD is on the floor at PF? Are you content with Ryno playing backup PF for 20-25 minutes? Because if he doesn't play 3, he can't play 4 with AD in there, and I don't want AD sliding to the 5 just to make room for Anderson at 4.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:32 am to CecilShortsHisPants
In all honesty, this team needs to have a true center. AD isn't a true center and his game/athleticism works best as a PF.
At the same time, ryno isn't a SF. He's a stretch 4 and defensively doesn't match well with AD.
I can see us trading Ryno, but the issue is what kind of SF can we get for him? Ryno + DH worked well because howard is a true center allowing ryno to play the 4 effectively. Putting ryno as a SF for majority of the game is putting a circle kog into a square hole. It doesn't work even if you keep on trying to force it.
At the same time, ryno isn't a SF. He's a stretch 4 and defensively doesn't match well with AD.
I can see us trading Ryno, but the issue is what kind of SF can we get for him? Ryno + DH worked well because howard is a true center allowing ryno to play the 4 effectively. Putting ryno as a SF for majority of the game is putting a circle kog into a square hole. It doesn't work even if you keep on trying to force it.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:38 am to MrBlue105
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I don't want AD playing C
He is having an MVP type season playing center.
We have an All Star caliber PF.
whats the big deal here?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:49 am to Pelicans8
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We would have to wrestle him away from the jazz by overpaying him with the cap space we don't have unless we trade eric Gordon. If we did trade Eric Gordon, I guarantee you center is a much more glaring nee
you're retarded if you think getting a center is more important than getting a 3, or even another 2.
There isn't a center in the league that would make this team better than if we added Gordon Hayward. Howard/Bosh/Gasol would be good choices, but that will never happen, and they make way too much money.
We will never win anything with Animu as our 3.
Wasting money on a 5 is a good way to not win.
spending money on a 2 or a 3 that can close games, is how you get into the playoffs and win in the playoffs.
You find a center that wants to play and plays hard and knows his role. That is enough to win any game. He doesn't need to make over 5 million.
Until we find a 2 or 3 that can take over games down the stretch, we will stay mediocre, unless Davis becomes that guy.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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you're retarded if you think getting a center is more important than getting a 3, or even another 2.
I would much rather add a 5 than another 2. We've got two good SGs. Yeah, they're overpaid. But the 2 is not a need unless we trade Gordon or Evans.
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