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Chevy Volt doesn't like winter
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:54 pm to Zach
It's obvious that GM believes in climate change
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:10 pm to Zach
Global warming will solve this and many other inconveniences for us. Flooding Miami and NOLA is a worthwhile tradeoff.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:18 pm to Zach
Batteries suffer in extreme weather. At least the Volt has a gas engine to use after 20 miles.
You should know that since you paid for it as a taxpayer.
You should know that since you paid for it as a taxpayer.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:24 pm to dewster
I really don't understand why so many conservatives hate gas efficient vehicles. Anything that gets the US and the world off of Arab country's gasoline teat is a good thing.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:28 pm to dewster
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Batteries suffer in extreme weather. At least the Volt has a gas engine to use after 20 miles. You should know that since you paid for it as a taxpayer.
So why would someone get an electric car so they can run it on gas?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:28 pm to Tyrusrex
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Anything that gets the US and the world off of Arab country's gasoline teat is a good thing.
Well we could just produce our own and put tons of people to work in the process
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:28 pm to Tyrusrex
Conservatives don't hate fuel efficient cars. They hate government subsidized cars.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:29 pm to Tyrusrex
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I really don't understand why so many conservatives hate gas efficient vehicles. Anything that gets the US and the world off of Arab country's gasoline teat is a good thing.
I don't think it's the actual product they hate, it's the shady dealings that happen to manufacture these products that don't produce results all at the expense of the taxpayer, i.e. A123, Solyndra.
Also, most of our imported oil comes from Canada.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:30 pm to Tyrusrex
quote:Conservatives only think that tax breaks on defining drilling as R&D are appropriate incentives.
I really don't understand why so many conservatives hate gas efficient vehicles. Anything that gets the US and the world off of Arab country's gasoline teat is a good thing.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:33 pm to Revelator
The car has an electric range in normal conditions of anywhere between 35 and 52 miles. After the electricity is depleted the gas engine starts charging the battery to keep the car going for a total range of 380 miles. You can also charge the battery when it's depleted at home. It's not a bad idea for a commuter vehicle as you'd only really need the gasoline engine for extended trips and can charge the battery at home every night. That may not be ideal if your electricity is expensive.
You buy an electric car to save on gasoline. You buy a Volt because electric cars still have short ranges that limit your ability to take long trips- which is a major problem with the Nissan Leaf and the old GM EV1 from the 1990s- both of which have short ranges that are also truncated during extreme weather but don't have a supplemental power train.
It's a good idea in theory but the car is too expensive to be a sales blockbuster (30,000 Volts and Amperas were sold in 2012....compared with 240,000 Cruze sedans) since you are basically buying a car with two power trains. It's a technological stepping stone between a hybrid and a full electric.
You buy an electric car to save on gasoline. You buy a Volt because electric cars still have short ranges that limit your ability to take long trips- which is a major problem with the Nissan Leaf and the old GM EV1 from the 1990s- both of which have short ranges that are also truncated during extreme weather but don't have a supplemental power train.
It's a good idea in theory but the car is too expensive to be a sales blockbuster (30,000 Volts and Amperas were sold in 2012....compared with 240,000 Cruze sedans) since you are basically buying a car with two power trains. It's a technological stepping stone between a hybrid and a full electric.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:35 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Conservatives only think that tax breaks on defining drilling as R&D are appropriate incentives.
And liberals think giving money to companies that are supposed to produce a "green product" and end up not producing anything to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars is right and just. While I don't agree with huge oil subsidies, at least they produce something that consumers can use.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:40 pm to upgrayedd
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Also, most of our imported oil comes from Canada.
Ok, the problem here is that gasoline is a widely traded commodity. Because we're importing from Canada that means countries like Japan and China can't buy from there and have to buy from places like Venezuela and Libya. The only way to decrease world wide demand for oil is either through an economic downturn (which is why gas was cheap when GWB left office), increase supply (which we're doing right now), or conservation (which is what the Volt does).
And yeah, the shady dealing sucks. On the other hand, even though we had to go through Solyndra, at least we got Tesla. It's been standard operating procedure since the founding of this country. You bet on some companies, and just hope that most of them make it.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:45 pm to Tyrusrex
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On the other hand, even though we had to go through Solyndra, at least we got Tesla. It's been standard operating procedure since the founding of this country. You bet on some companies, and just hope that most of them make it.
Unfortunately, for every Tesla (which I'm not sure what the return on investment is on that company), there are 5 or more Solyndra's, which is still a big net loss.
Not a Romney fan, but he was right when he said Obama always picks the losers because he and his people don't know how to evaluate companies, products, and markets
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:47 pm to Tyrusrex
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I really don't understand why so many conservatives hate gas efficient vehicles. Anything that gets the US and the world off of Arab country's gasoline teat is a good thing.
Electric cars are anything but efficient. At the drivetrain level? Yes. From production of that energy? No.
You have to include the total number of energy transfers not just the final step.
They're only as green as that first step as well. If it's coal - then you're not green at all.
TLDR: Get a diesel engine.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:49 pm to upgrayedd
Tesla shareholders are apparently good friends of the administration to get that kind of corporate welfare.
In an ironic twist, there are rumors that GM and Toyota are both kicking Tesla's tires and may purchase the company.
In an ironic twist, there are rumors that GM and Toyota are both kicking Tesla's tires and may purchase the company.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:52 pm to Tyrusrex
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I really don't understand why so many conservatives hate gas efficient vehicles.
He posted a link to a piece of shite chevy volt that doesn't work simply because it's cold outside, and your question, is why don't people like these cars?
You must be in the top of your class.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:55 pm to Tyrusrex
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, even though we had to go through Solyndra, at least we got Tesla. It's been standard operating procedure since the founding of this country. You bet on some companies, and just hope that most of them make it.
You do realize Solyndra was 1 of about 20 "alternative energy" companies that were given money despite all advisers telling Obama they should wait because they are forecasted to fail, yet your master went ahead and did it anyway, right?
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You bet on some companies, and just hope that most of them make it
Not with tax payer money. This is fine practice for the private industry. With the government this is a systemic neverending plague, that twits from the left embrace.
Embracing failure at every turn. The left's mantra.
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