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re: Two Pelicans Reads Today
Posted on 8/16/13 at 9:15 pm to VOR
Posted on 8/16/13 at 9:15 pm to VOR
The moral of the story: every team needs a hell of a lot of luck to even sniff a title, let alone win one.
Just to play Devil's advocate here because there is nothing else to talk about- is there a "smart" organization that has drafted poorly consistently in the lottery? Is it nature or nurture for draft picks?
Which is more likely- OKC was on a 3 year hot streak with 5 picks while drafting or they did something very right when scouting/coaching up their picks? Same thing with SAS developing Parker? Does he become who he is if the Grizzlies take him instead of Jamaal Tinsley at 27? The Spurs almost dealt him in 2003 to get Jason Kidd, does he continue to develop if he goes to the Nets? Devin Harris was a promising young pg once upon a time too.
Just to play Devil's advocate here because there is nothing else to talk about- is there a "smart" organization that has drafted poorly consistently in the lottery? Is it nature or nurture for draft picks?
Which is more likely- OKC was on a 3 year hot streak with 5 picks while drafting or they did something very right when scouting/coaching up their picks? Same thing with SAS developing Parker? Does he become who he is if the Grizzlies take him instead of Jamaal Tinsley at 27? The Spurs almost dealt him in 2003 to get Jason Kidd, does he continue to develop if he goes to the Nets? Devin Harris was a promising young pg once upon a time too.
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Posted on 8/17/13 at 2:50 pm to corndeaux
thanks for the links. good stuff.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 11:58 am to quail man
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sometimes, i don't get this. what did they want us to do? keep the same lineup heading into next season? win an extra 5 games because of experience and sit in the lottery again?
Yes, this is exactly the formula that they all subscribe to. OKC may very well have been lightning in a bottle. Sac Town, Toronto, and Charlotte have all been perennial lottery participants and they are still searching for one superstar. It just isn't that easy. If I am a NBA GM/Coach, I would rather gamble on an 23 y/o All-Star pg rather than a lottery rookie. Unless that rookie is a LBJ or KD of course.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 4:40 pm to 504Voodoo
Moore has a SW Division recap up today.
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Ranks the Pelicans 5th in the division. Says this:
Agree with this.
But then Moore drops this bomb while ranking the offseasons of each team.
LINK
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This division is a little nuts. For years, it has been the class of the NBA, the toughest battle of any division. The average wins per season for all teams in the Southwest is 44. And that's not all top-heavy San Antonio. The Hornets, who dealt with massive injury woes and the departure of Chris Paul over that stretch, still won 36 games per season.And after this offseason, don't expect much slippage. In fact, you could see some gains. You can make a realistic argument that the Southwest Division could send five teams to the playoffs next season
Ranks the Pelicans 5th in the division. Says this:
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Finally, the Pelicans are intriguing. Teams like this either live up to the highest expectations and make the playoffs as a surprise, or they fail miserably -- which prompts the departure of the GM and coach. But there is a legitimate chance that this team makes a postseason run.
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The Pelicans' defense is really going to be the thing to watch. Holiday, Gordon and Evans should be good for somewhere between 40 and 50 points per game by themselves. Health is a worry, but not as much as the defense, which was dreadful last year. Holiday is regaded as an elite perimeter defender, Gordon is fine, and Evans could be very good in a better system. Can the rest of a young roster catch up? That's going to go farther than anything else, even their positional uncertainty, in determining if they make the playoffs or not.
Agree with this.
But then Moore drops this bomb while ranking the offseasons of each team.
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2. Pelicans: They added two quality starters and upgraded at nearly every position. They landed an All-Star, talked Eric Gordon into buying in, and signed Greg Stiemsma. That's a damn good haul for a small market team with a stupid name.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 5:35 pm to corndeaux
Whatever. Nobody will be saying shite about the name being "stupid" by the end of the season. Fact.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 6:59 pm to corndeaux
Following all of these nba media guys through hoopshype's media twitter thing really made it painfully clear how douchy nba writers are.
The baseball guys seem REALLY PASSIONATELY into their game. They love baseball. The football guys are really procedural. Its all about player "X" contract and how many weeks player "Y" might miss.
The nba guys just seem set out to show how smart they are. They all seem to think they're these incredibly clever guys. It really does seem that Bill Simmons has created an entire generation of young nba writers who've basically set out to mimic his shtick. Most just end up being unbearable and unfunny though.
The baseball guys seem REALLY PASSIONATELY into their game. They love baseball. The football guys are really procedural. Its all about player "X" contract and how many weeks player "Y" might miss.
The nba guys just seem set out to show how smart they are. They all seem to think they're these incredibly clever guys. It really does seem that Bill Simmons has created an entire generation of young nba writers who've basically set out to mimic his shtick. Most just end up being unbearable and unfunny though.
Posted on 8/19/13 at 12:04 pm to eyeran
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The baseball guys seem REALLY PASSIONATELY into their game. They love baseball. The football guys are really procedural. Its all about player "X" contract and how many weeks player "Y" might miss.
I get that, but the NBA is such a ridiculous league. You need a healthy sense of humor to follow a league where Ricky Davis throws up a shot at his own backboard in pursuit of a triple double or where a Javale McGee exists. It's one reason I find it so much more interesting than MLB or NFL- it's a fun and funny league.
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The nba guys just seem set out to show how smart they are. They all seem to think they're these incredibly clever guys. It really does seem that Bill Simmons has created an entire generation of young nba writers who've basically set out to mimic his shtick. Most just end up being unbearable and unfunny though.
Internet gonna internet.
I stick to reading Ziller and Lowe primarily. They are the best and have been for some time. Mahoney/Golliver at SI are thoughtful reads as well. Moore is very good, but he never, ever shuts up. I'm actually disappointed by the name dig. I don't care if he likes it or not, but it's the summer. Nothing else is happening and he can't finish his analysis with something other than saying he hates the name? He's better than that.
Posted on 8/19/13 at 12:16 pm to corndeaux
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The Pelicans' defense is really going to be the thing to watch. Holiday, Gordon and Evans should be good for somewhere between 40 and 50 points per game by themselves.
why does he mention talking about defense and the first thing he says is how many PPG they will have?
also 5th in the Division and making the playoffs is a pretty damn strong possibility. the only team the Pels may jump this season is Dallas. that's about it.
Posted on 8/19/13 at 12:41 pm to quail man
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also 5th in the Division and making the playoffs is a pretty damn strong possibility. the only team the Pels may jump this season is Dallas. that's about it.
+1
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