I would like to read the texts of TM. - Page 6 - TigerDroppings.com

Posted byMessage
Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
24213 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Following him was fine too(and legal)


You conveniently left out the rest of my post:

quote:

It's not illegal but it's not what he was taught to do.


I said it wasn't illegal but no, it was not fine. And if you want me to once again link the testimony of the person who instructed him who testified that it was not fine and the national neighborhood watch founder who said it was not fine, I can.

quote:

if you think he may be committing a crime before the police can arrive
Once again, no. And he never said he thought he was committing a crime anyway.

quote:

As in my situation, who said TM wouldn't have assaulted someone before the police could arrive? Oh wait, he DID! Let me re-phrase...who is to say he might not have jumped an elderly neighbor and robbed/brutalized them before the police could arrive?


Who is to say a martian would have landed and prevented this all?

quote:


Following might not be what NW watch people are trained to do but as a MAN, forget all about NW, I am going to protect others in harm's way if I am able and they need assistance.


No one was in harm's way.

You're making shite up.






Back to top
oklahogjr
Arizona State Fan
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
22135 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


Someone doesn't have to be right in this situation. It's ok to admit that both of them were fricking stupid that night.





Back to top
Crimson1st
Alabama Fan
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1685 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

but he should have never been approached my Zimmerman in the first place.


Maybe not in hindsight but we don't operate in hindsight. People can't act upon knowledge they don't possess at the time.






Back to top
Green Chili Tiger
LSU Fan
The House of Black and White
Member since Jul 2009
14503 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

It's ok to admit that both of them were fricking stupid that night


Without a doubt.

Of course only one of them is dead.






Back to top
Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
14510 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Maybe not in hindsight


No, not at all.

Is it legal to follow someone around? I suppose so.

But is it very smart to follow people at night that haven't done anything wrong? Probably not.

Did Zimmerman have the right to pull his pistol out and defend his life, yes he did.

Is he getting his arse beat if he doesn't leave the car, most definitely not.






Back to top
Crimson1st
Alabama Fan
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1685 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

And if you want me to once again link the testimony of the person who instructed him who testified that it was not fine


GZ had the right to follow him regardless of his NW status.

quote:

No one was in harm's way


Again, you expect someone to know all this before things have played out.

quote:

Who is to say a martian would have landed and prevented this all?


With some of your logic at times, I think you may be neighbors with this martian...nanu nanu!






Back to top
Green Chili Tiger
LSU Fan
The House of Black and White
Member since Jul 2009
14503 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Is he getting his arse beat if he doesn't leave the car, most definitely not.


He probably doesn't get punched if he had just identified himself and asked where the kid was going. As I said earlier, even uniformed cops in marked police cruisers identify themselves when approaching a suspect.






Back to top
Crimson1st
Alabama Fan
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1685 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

He probably doesn't get punched if he had just identified himself and asked where the kid was going.


I think GZ was only attempting to keep an eye on TM and not encounter him or engage him at all.






Back to top
Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
14510 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.



quote:

uniformed cops in marked police cruisers identify themselves when approaching a suspect.


Zimmerman is not a police officer.

Martin was not a suspect.



This post was edited on 7/19 at 1:13 pm


Back to top
Green Chili Tiger
LSU Fan
The House of Black and White
Member since Jul 2009
14503 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Zimmerman is not a police officer.



I know. As far as TM could tell he was just some random older guy who pulled over, hopped out of his vehicle, and started following him home in the dark.


quote:

Martin was not a suspect


Then why was Zimmerman following him?






Back to top
Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
14510 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Then why was Zimmerman following him?


I don't know, why would somebody follow someone who has not done anything?

Most of us can speculate as to why he did, most around here seem to think they know why, but in reality, only Zimmerman really knows why he did.



This post was edited on 7/19 at 1:21 pm


Back to top
LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
3547 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

but we can't forget that the whole confrontation starts with the act of leaving the car to follow someone who had not done anything.
So? Following is not criminal and not wrong when you're a NW and are supposed to keep tabs on strangers in your neighborhood.

As far as I can recall - according to all accounts we have Zimmerman never approached Trayvon.






Back to top
LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
3547 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

if you want me to once again link the testimony
Link the testimony. You will be shown wrong again.

And I'm not concerned about the opinion of any neighborhood watch spokesman who has his own agenda and is not under oath.






Back to top
DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
3340 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Could none of this have happened after Zimmerman followed Martin? possibly, if martin keeps his cool, but we can't forget that the whole confrontation starts with the act of leaving the car to follow someone who had not done anything.


How would Z know that TM had not done anything or wasn't going to do anything?

It's late at night, Z is doing his NW and sees someone who he doesn't recognize dressed in black with a hood on who is walking near some houses.

That would make any sane person suspicious of what TM was up to.

Maybe if TM had taken an umbrella with him and was walking on the sidewalk then none of this would have happened.





This post was edited on 7/19 at 1:27 pm


Back to top
USMCTiger03
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
62440 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

quote: Martin was not a suspect

Then why was Zimmerman following him?

Because a suspicious person is not the same as a suspect.






Back to top
LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
3547 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Of course only one of them is dead.
Yea, and I guess it's the wrong one huh? Because GZ could have died if TM kept using his head for a basketball or happened to get a hold of that gun himself.






Back to top
Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
14510 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

So? Following is not criminal and not wrong when you're a NW and are supposed to keep tabs on strangers in your neighborhood.


Neighborhood Watch.

They are not detectives.




This post was edited on 7/19 at 1:29 pm


Back to top
LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
3547 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Neighborhood Watch.


So if I'm a volunteer I can only sit in one place and Watch what's directly in my view? Are you for real?
quote:

They are not detectives.
No, the are volunteers who take on the responsibility to help keep their neighborhood safe.






Back to top
Green Chili Tiger
LSU Fan
The House of Black and White
Member since Jul 2009
14503 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

Yea, and I guess it's the wrong one huh?


No one should have died! There is no wrong one or right one when it comes to who should have died.

Even if we found out after the fact that TM was violent, drug dealing, rapist, gang leader or that GZ was the grand dragon of the KKK neither of them should have died that night.



This post was edited on 7/19 at 1:48 pm


Back to top
Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
14510 posts

re: I would like to read the texts of TM.


quote:

So if I'm a volunteer I can only sit in one place and Watch what's directly in my view? Are you for real?


If you spotted someone that was suspicious, you could contact proper authorities and not follow them, seeing as how you are neighborhood watch and not an authority figure yourself.

If you pursue a suspicious individual (no matter how legal it is) you may be putting yourself at risk, kinda like what happened here.






Back to top


Back to top




//