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Chokes for waterfowl: Patterning my gun this weekend (UPDATED OP W/ RESULTS)
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:26 pm
What choke restriction do you use?
What brand?
On what gun?
Ammo do you shoot?
And have you patterned your gun with all of the above?
I'm getting ready to do a trial of choke tubes with various kinds of ammo and pattern them. Will calculate pattern % (pellets in 30" circle divided by the total # of pellets in shell) doing 3 shots for each combo (to get average since shots vary).
Performing per this website:
LINK
Will post results
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Alright, so this is Phase #1 of the results. I used Phase #1 to weed out the chokes I didn't like (and hopefully get my money back). So how did I do it?
Hung paper targets with a 30" circle. Shot each from about 35 yards away. I counted each pellet penetrated within the circle and then cut open a shell to count the pellets. Turns out the Kents and Black Clouds have about the same (154 vs 152). Calculated percentage using these numbers. Something interesting I noticed is that Black Clouds have these weird BBs mixed in. Darker in hue and look a lot different.
The exact specs of the Kents were the SilverSteels (my shells of choice): 3", 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1480 fps
Black Cloud: 3" 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1450 fps
What chokes did I use?
1. Kick High Flyer Modified (Ported)
2. Browning "Standard choke that came with gun" Modified (Flush with barrel)
3a. PatternMaster Extended range (ported)...used with Kents only
3b. PatternMaster Full choke Black Cloud (unported)...used with Black Clouds only
4. Carlson's Black Cloud Mid Range (Unported)
Alright, so the results?
My conclusions:
- Kents have a better pattern % than Black Clouds on average among all the various chokes
- Kicks had the best percentage with Kents but the worst percentage on average with Black Clouds.
- I'm going to keep the kicks and keep shooting Kents.
- I'm taking back the Carlson's (worst percentage on average with both loads)
- Also taking back Patternmaster. Not worth the money IMO.
I'm going to try this again with just the Kicks and Browning choke with Hevi-Metal and Remington loads another time.
Pic of best combination (kent + kicks)
What brand?
On what gun?
Ammo do you shoot?
And have you patterned your gun with all of the above?
I'm getting ready to do a trial of choke tubes with various kinds of ammo and pattern them. Will calculate pattern % (pellets in 30" circle divided by the total # of pellets in shell) doing 3 shots for each combo (to get average since shots vary).
Performing per this website:
LINK
Will post results
____________________________________________
Alright, so this is Phase #1 of the results. I used Phase #1 to weed out the chokes I didn't like (and hopefully get my money back). So how did I do it?
Hung paper targets with a 30" circle. Shot each from about 35 yards away. I counted each pellet penetrated within the circle and then cut open a shell to count the pellets. Turns out the Kents and Black Clouds have about the same (154 vs 152). Calculated percentage using these numbers. Something interesting I noticed is that Black Clouds have these weird BBs mixed in. Darker in hue and look a lot different.
The exact specs of the Kents were the SilverSteels (my shells of choice): 3", 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1480 fps
Black Cloud: 3" 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1450 fps
What chokes did I use?
1. Kick High Flyer Modified (Ported)
2. Browning "Standard choke that came with gun" Modified (Flush with barrel)
3a. PatternMaster Extended range (ported)...used with Kents only
3b. PatternMaster Full choke Black Cloud (unported)...used with Black Clouds only
4. Carlson's Black Cloud Mid Range (Unported)
Alright, so the results?
My conclusions:
- Kents have a better pattern % than Black Clouds on average among all the various chokes
- Kicks had the best percentage with Kents but the worst percentage on average with Black Clouds.
- I'm going to keep the kicks and keep shooting Kents.
- I'm taking back the Carlson's (worst percentage on average with both loads)
- Also taking back Patternmaster. Not worth the money IMO.
I'm going to try this again with just the Kicks and Browning choke with Hevi-Metal and Remington loads another time.
Pic of best combination (kent + kicks)
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:28 pm to TulaneUVA
i shoot a kicks high flyer xtra full at everything in SBEII
fiocchi golden waterfowl
fiocchi golden waterfowl
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:28 pm to TulaneUVA
Modified
Kick's High Flyer
Benelli
Cheap shite---Kent or Remington
No
Kick's High Flyer
Benelli
Cheap shite---Kent or Remington
No
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:32 pm to TulaneUVA
I shoot a patternmaster with federal cheapo 3" #2 or 3
Extremely good patterns. Not worth $100 though.
I paid $65 for mine
It's an incredible buckshot choke, but not anything super special for steel.
Extremely good patterns. Not worth $100 though.
I paid $65 for mine
It's an incredible buckshot choke, but not anything super special for steel.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:33 pm to TulaneUVA
You're getting way too complicated for a shotgun my man.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:40 pm to TulaneUVA
I shoot factory Beretta modified at woodies and in the timber. Patternmaster Extra Full out in the field.
Gun: Beretta AL390
Ammo: Blindside #2,3,4. Kent SpeedSteel when I'm broke. Xpert T Shot for geese.
Gun: Beretta AL390
Ammo: Blindside #2,3,4. Kent SpeedSteel when I'm broke. Xpert T Shot for geese.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:41 pm to TulaneUVA
Double Post
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 10:03 pm to TulaneUVA
I need to get a pattern master for mine.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 10:05 pm to TulaneUVA
Remington 870 Wingmaster
1975 edition, 2 1/2 inch magnum
modified
kill
1975 edition, 2 1/2 inch magnum
modified
kill
Posted on 7/17/13 at 10:07 pm to TulaneUVA
Modified (wont come out of barrel)
Stock
Browning Silver
Federal Blue Box
Yes (& with most other brands)
All Federal patterned better out of my gun than Winchester & Remington. Kent also patterned good. Didn't see any difference between Federal blue box, red box, or black cloud. To me the biggest difference between blue box and red box is that blue box are a little dirtier (though I'm suspicious that beginning last year Federal stream lined a lot of their shot shell components and there isn't much, if any difference in the blue and red. Shells weren't anywhere close to being as dirty as they used to be). Black cloud will destroy a duck, but I go through 2.5-3 cases a season so it would be pretty expensive. Blue box cost $100/case shipped from Rogers. Also, if I could get the modified out of my barrel, I would replace it with an improved. If you're shooting ducks where you're supposed to - 10-20 yards in the face with feet down - it's a much better option.
Stock
Browning Silver
Federal Blue Box
Yes (& with most other brands)
All Federal patterned better out of my gun than Winchester & Remington. Kent also patterned good. Didn't see any difference between Federal blue box, red box, or black cloud. To me the biggest difference between blue box and red box is that blue box are a little dirtier (though I'm suspicious that beginning last year Federal stream lined a lot of their shot shell components and there isn't much, if any difference in the blue and red. Shells weren't anywhere close to being as dirty as they used to be). Black cloud will destroy a duck, but I go through 2.5-3 cases a season so it would be pretty expensive. Blue box cost $100/case shipped from Rogers. Also, if I could get the modified out of my barrel, I would replace it with an improved. If you're shooting ducks where you're supposed to - 10-20 yards in the face with feet down - it's a much better option.
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 10:10 pm to TulaneUVA
These charts may help. Good luck
Posted on 7/17/13 at 11:14 pm to TulaneUVA
Browning Maxus 12 gauge
Patternmaster Code Black Goose
2-T
OR
Browning BPS 10 gauge
Patternmaster Extended Range
2-T
I've never patterned either of these setups but judging by what the ducks say I know it's real tight and decent pattern at worst.
Fwiw it's the same choke but the code black goose has a special coating. Code black duck is the long range.
Patternmaster Code Black Goose
2-T
OR
Browning BPS 10 gauge
Patternmaster Extended Range
2-T
I've never patterned either of these setups but judging by what the ducks say I know it's real tight and decent pattern at worst.
Fwiw it's the same choke but the code black goose has a special coating. Code black duck is the long range.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 7:07 am to TulaneUVA
quote:
Modified
Kick's High Flyer
Benelli
Cheap shite---Kent or Remington or estate. Really whatever.
No
Posted on 7/18/13 at 8:35 am to TulaneUVA
Super X2
Win Experts 3.5" #2
Haydel's decoy choke and extended range
I really like the Haydel's. Priced right to at $69 last I checked.
Win Experts 3.5" #2
Haydel's decoy choke and extended range
I really like the Haydel's. Priced right to at $69 last I checked.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 1:28 pm to TulaneUVA
What you are really looking for is how and where the gun shoots. Knowing the point of impact is critical and many folks are surprised to see how high/low or even left/right their gun shoots especially when shooting at extended range.
Beyond that I agree with the others that you are wasting your time if doing much patterning for waterfowling. For waterfowl I'd say pick a shell thats readily available and fits your budget and pair it with a quality choke and hit the patterning board. No sense buying multiple chokes or loads unless you have money to burn. The pattern will show where the gun shoots and thats that...
Now, if you do as I do and hunt turkeys then patterning becomes a bit more critical. Suddenly striving for patterns like this becomes a useful endeavor..
Beyond that I agree with the others that you are wasting your time if doing much patterning for waterfowling. For waterfowl I'd say pick a shell thats readily available and fits your budget and pair it with a quality choke and hit the patterning board. No sense buying multiple chokes or loads unless you have money to burn. The pattern will show where the gun shoots and thats that...
Now, if you do as I do and hunt turkeys then patterning becomes a bit more critical. Suddenly striving for patterns like this becomes a useful endeavor..
This post was edited on 7/18/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/18/13 at 1:30 pm to TulaneUVA
If you approach brushing, decoys, camouflage , calling, retrieving, shot placement, and finding a location with the same zeal as you do on patterning your gun you should win the waterfowl shoot out all by your lonesome this year.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 3:03 pm to TulaneUVA
I have a Carlson. 
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 7/28/13 at 3:32 pm to TulaneUVA
quote:
TulaneUVA
Bapple alter?
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