re: Star Trek into Darkness: Discussion and SPOILERS thread

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To gain control of a Klingon vessel because they are the most powerful outside of Starfleet is my guess. Also he thought it was the only place in the known universe they couldn't come to try and get him.

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I'm pretty sure he wanted them to come and get him.

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1. When did Spock turn into a fricking action hero? The cold, logical Vulcan is leaping to moving platforms and become an action hero? This is the same guy who just sits in the volcano like the monk who set himself on fire? 2. Why are they hiding the ship in the fricking ocean? Shouldn't it be displacing a massive amount of water in that bay? ETA: this is fricking stupid on my part This is something we've never seen a Starfleet ship do when observing a planet, because it's dumb, but what was the motivation? 

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1. Spock was always capable of action-heroism. Check out pretty much any episode of the original series.

2. I think you are comparing their tech and experience to the TNG/DS9 experience and tech.

Well if you PAID attention you know its post-Vulcan gone bye-bye so his half human side is pushing his emotions so hes obviously doing things Spock Prime would never do.

I agree completely..better than I thought it would be...BUT..they could have tweaked the final 90 seconds of the film for a more emotional impact rather than a copy of the previous film's ending.

Although I enjoyed the film, here are my problems with the plot.

1. This film opens in the 23rd century -- I think if I remember in 2259. If Kahn and his people are 300 years old, they would have had to have been "genetically engineered" in the mid to late 1900's. How in the frick does a 300 year old guy possess the kind of intelligence to design ships and weapons systems appropriate for the 23rd century? And how in the world could a late 20th century Earth have dispatched Kahn and his people into deep space? Which brings me to my next question ...

2. This dude is friggin Superman. 23rd century warriors and people with 23rd century technology can't stop ONE DUDE. Multiply Kahn by 72 (his comrades) -- how the frick could 20th century Earth have stopped them?

3. Marcus has built the biggest, baddest ship ever. And no one knows? This is the most massive coverup and act of treason in history and no one knows?

4. Scotty can immobilize Kahn with 1 stun but it takes Uhura 20 shots before Khan goes down?

5. Scotty can just sneak aboard the Dreadnaught and no one knows? The most lethal ship in the universe and anyone flying by can waltz in?

6. Someone mentioned this before but you beam a 90 pound babe onto a moving platform to assist in the fight against Khan?

7. I was ok with the homage to STII, but the scream at the end reminded me more of Darth Vader's "Nooooooooooooo!"

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1. This film opens in the 23rd century -- I think if I remember in 2259. If Kahn and his people are 300 years old, they would have had to have been "genetically engineered" in the mid to late 1900's. How in the frick does a 300 year old guy possess the kind of intelligence to design ships and weapons systems appropriate for the 23rd century? And how in the world could a late 20th century Earth have dispatched Kahn and his people into deep space? Which brings me to my next question ...

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He's hyper intelligent - he was given a year to adapt to modern technology. When he was frozen Khan was working with 20th century technology and the entire world would have been against his schemes.

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2. This dude is friggin Superman. 23rd century warriors and people with 23rd century technology can't stop ONE DUDE. Multiply Kahn by 72 (his comrades) -- how the frick could 20th century Earth have stopped them?

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As I previously postulated, the entire world probably worked to get rid of the superhuman threat.

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3. Marcus has built the biggest, baddest ship ever. And no one knows? This is the most massive coverup and act of treason in history and no one knows?

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No idea, all the starfleet commanders thought the lab was an archive - so it's not impossible that the secret group managed to conceal this.

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4. Scotty can immobilize Kahn with 1 stun but it takes Uhura 20 shots before Khan goes down?

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Seemed like he was playing coy

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5. Scotty can just sneak aboard the Dreadnaught and no one knows? The most lethal ship in the universe and anyone flying by can waltz in?

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This is an issue, where are the credential checks

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6. Someone mentioned this before but you beam a 90 pound babe onto a moving platform to assist in the fight against Khan?

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No idea, transporter consistency is a mess in this movie.

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2. I was surprised the whole "letting the cavemen see a starship" issue didn't amount to anything more than another rule that Kirk broke. Very cool scene byw.

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I was confused by this.

So they were surveying the planet and found the population at risk and decided to help.

But why again was Kirk and McCoy on the ground, and why was he stealing a religious artifact?

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Didn't like how Spock could go toe to toe with Khan.

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Me too. Khan can take a beating from Kirk and not blink, can survive a starship crashing into a friggin city but Spock can break his arm.

And Spock took a beating too. Where was the green blood? That would've been awesome seeing Spock with green blood smeared all over him.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I like to be spoiled (crazy I know)

Anyway.
I'm a trekkie, so let me give some back info


1990'2 -2000's there was a war, where Khan seized south Asia and began making supermen called the Eugenics wars. The idea was to purge the earth of the impure. This is a hazy area, as much of Trek doesn't talk about it, because the idea came in the 60's and we are years past when the wars should have happened.

The wars led to ww3, with most of the US being destroyed. (except for the midwest, New Orleans and San Francisco and the badlands)

It unsure who the antagonists were but likely asians vs the west.

Anyway. You have first contact with the Vulcans in 2165. For a hundred years they help us advance, all while limiting us, as the other races realize humans adapt faster to technology than any other race. The nations of the world form alliances and unions, eventually leading to the creation of United Earth.
By 2260 we have deep space Warp 5 exploration vehicles. We are seen as a threat to some races, notably the Xindi, who decide to launch an attack on earth. They destroy Florida. This leads to United Earth requesting an alliance with the Vulcans, the Andorrans and the Tellurites. The new alliance is called the Federation of Planets, and since Earth is central, it is the capital world of the new Federation. With the political HQ in Paris and the military HQ in San Francisco.


The Romulan Star Empire hears of this and sees a threat, they start launching computer viruses against our ships, which cause the crews to lose control, and have their ships turn on each other. This leads to Star Fleet adopting an earlier technology, and explains why the TOS ships are less advanced then the ships a hundred years before that.

Establishment of the neutral zone brings relative peace with the Romulans and later the Klingons, and we all go on our way.

The only rule is, no Federation ship may have cloaking technology.
The Klingons, are more like a middle eastern nation, with a weak central leadership and tribal attitudes.
Meaning they kind of do what they want.
Romulans are more ordered, but only attack if it is logical.

The Romulan attack on earth in the first movie was not condoned by the Romulan Star Empire, that was the work of Nero. Who does beat up at least 7 Klingons in the deleted scenes from the first movie. deleted scene with Nero and Klingons


This world from here on out is different, while at the same time the Prime world has already happened. In Spock Prime's mind, Captain Picard retired, Data is captain of the enterprise, and everything that happened on TV or the movies did happen.

While at the same time everything is different.

I don't think a lot of people here are familiar with the nature of Vulcans. Their very nature is one of restraint. They are capable of expressing extreme emotions beyond anything humans can comprehend, which is why they suppress them. They are very strong (much stronger than the average human), but do not resort to violence unless necessary.

Strong enough to take out Kahn? Who knows. But I'd take an enraged Spock over Kirk any day. Kirk would be ground beef by the time it was over with.