re: Star Trek into Darkness: Discussion and SPOILERS thread

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I guess I do not understand why that is Khan's endgame. Why does he give two fricks about that war? And why sacrifice himself for it?

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seems like he did it to eventually expose the admiral. he knew that marcus was prepping for a klingon war, and used that to his advantage, and was able to manipulate whoever was sent (kirk) to capture him into helping him. i dont think he cared about triggering the war, just exposing marcus' plans and using that against him.

How was the freefall to the Moon, since that struck me as a scene that would look incredible in IMAX?

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1. When did Spock turn into a fricking action hero? The cold, logical Vulcan is leaping to moving platforms and become an action hero? This is the same guy who just sits in the volcano like the monk who set himself on fire?

2. Why are they hiding the ship in the fricking ocean? Shouldn't it be displacing a massive amount of water in that bay? ETA: this is fricking stupid on my part This is something we've never seen a Starfleet ship do when observing a planet, because it's dumb, but what was the motivation?

3. What was Khan's motivation basically at any stage? I get the attacking the "archives" so he can attack the Admiral, but then why beam to Kronos? Is his plan to start a war between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire? If so, why not let them get caught?

3b. What the frick is Khan doing backstabbing Kirk on the bridge of the Drednaut class ship? Why not wait until you have your crew in hand?

4. Why are there no Klingon ships within 20 minutes of Kronos? Why are there no other ships around Earth? Everyone just stays totally unaware? Even after the last movie when the Romulans brought the drill to Earth we didn't set up a perimeter defense?

5. What the frick is going on with the Enterprise falling to Earth? They said they were 300,000 km away (so basically the moon), and it took longer than the van hitting the water in Inception. Not to mention I do not totally understand the physics behind it, either. Why didn't it ever change in magnitude?

6. frick, more later

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1. Spock and Kirk have always been action heroes, in the 70's it was Cowboy Themes, now in the 21st, they are BAMFs. Updated for the times. Fake punches don't do squat anymore.

2. Starfleet in the future hot only hid in the ocean but also build massive base into the mountainside even walk around invisible. This is just the poor man version of doing it.

Also Starfleet ships are very capable of water and atmospherics entry.

3.Plan was to have the Federation Battle it out with the klingon, To Khan his people are the most important thing in existance. Think of him like magneto, Home Superior.

3b. Khan is smart, he doesnt need kirk at that stage anymore, the way people like Khan are portrayed , they are pretty much perfect in everywway. It's was a very near thing the mundanes were able to defeat them.

4. The Klingons at this stage have lost well over 50 ships from part one, that is a massive hole in their defense. Their home world is secure technically, so they should have to strengthen their borders.

As for ship around earth, The federation always have protrayed Earth as a haven where it couldn't be attack because it's outer defenses are so strong. They also view earth as any other planet, nothing special. So in the name of equality if Earth get ships, every other Federation Members would want ships around their planet, which would pull ships away from the Federation mission to explore while securing their borders.

So Earth lead by example, leaving their planet completely defenseless so that others would do the same, thus freeing up resources and ships to actually strength their borders on multiple fronts.

Attacks that happen from the insides rarely happens.

5. Find a physics expert to explain that.


I quite enjoyed it and finally nice to see the federation have some teeth again.

The last time I saw Federation actually kicking arse in any manner was DS9.

Everyone keeps saying khan, are there two villains? I am confused. And yes I know this is a spoiler thread. I would still like to know.

Go see the movie.

It's a pretty good plot device, which is why people are hiding it

He surrendered yes, and he was able to play his game, but the difference between this, and Skyfall/Avengers/TDK is that it WASN'T part of his plan from the start.

Again, finding his crew to be alive changed whatever he was going to do on the fly. Whatever he was planning to do changed the second Sulu sent that message.

He was winging it after that.

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the funniest plot hole was when bones is bringing out one of the super beasts from cryo, and then is like OMG WE NEED KHAN'S BLOOD...they have a guy who is in a coma, out of cryo with plenty of veins to hit, who has plenty of super blood

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Yeah, that crossed my mind as well. Pretty much they've got the cure to anything. Throw 7/8's of them into the sun (including Khan) and keep the rest to end disease completely.

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the funniest plot hole was when bones is bringing out one of the super beasts from cryo, and then is like OMG WE NEED KHAN'S BLOOD...they have a guy who is in a coma, out of cryo with plenty of veins to hit, who has plenty of super blood

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I wouldnt really call that a plot hole.

I can think of a couple of reasons why they would need Kahn's blood regardless.

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What was Khan's motivation basically at any stage? I get the attacking the "archives" so he can attack the Admiral, but then why beam to Kronos? Is his plan to start a war between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire? If so, why not let them get caught?

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To gain control of a Klingon vessel because they are the most powerful outside of Starfleet is my guess. Also he thought it was the only place in the known universe they couldn't come to try and get him.