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drake20
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re: Ideal Pelicans First Offseason 2013


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smith's presence and rate of altering shot vs lopez getting scored on all the time and coming up with two blocks!!! i'll take ole schmitty. your stats are true. i compared before starting my argument. but at some point you have to watch the game and see the real impact. for all we know monty/dell could be setting lopez up to receive offers from other teams. call it flipping him. i thought the same about ego


Again, we all watch the games.

So Smith should be our starting center? I'm still confused about what was so funny. What do you have in mind at C that isn't so laughable?







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drake20
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I can see Vasquez and Smith as long term bench players, I can't see Lopez doing that. Despite his defensive flaws his offensive skills will probably get him more than $5 million on his next deal.



Ya, that's what wouldn't work with all these Davis/Pek/Ryno/Lopez scenarios.

Lopez has outplayed his contract. He isn't going back to playing 10 MPG.






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Solo
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96 minutes at PF/C. Below is the general rotation.

30 minutes for Pek at C
30 minutes for Ryno at PF
18 minutes for AD at C
18 minutes for AD at PF

Can even play Ryno at C in some situations.

Smith is your 4th big. Trade Lopez.

Smart/GV
Gordon/Rivers
Chandler or Brewer/aminu
AD/Ryno/smith
Pek/AD/Ryno/Smith

'Ship






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BayouFann
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not addressing the position is funny. but if we do nothing then i'ld rather smith over lopez.





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BayouFann
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Smart/GV
Gordon/Rivers
Chandler or Brewer/aminu
AD/Ryno/smith
Pek/AD/Ryno/Smith


i like smith as the 2nd ctr but i could do dis






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Cap Crunch
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Smart/GV
Gordon/Rivers
Chandler or Brewer/aminu
AD/Ryno/smith
Pek/AD/Ryno/Smith

I'd like this lineup a lot. That's a playoff team






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Fearthehat0307
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Smart/GV
Gordon/Rivers
Chandler or Brewer/aminu
AD/Ryno/smith
Pek/AD/Ryno/Smith
this is a fappable lineup imo






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Fleur de Diable
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brmark70816


Put down the controller and shut off NBA Live.

That playoff team, your words not mine, is middling at best. That sets us up to be middle of the draft, then 3/5s of our starting unit has to be replaced and we have to hope that we can attract free agents. That makes no sense. Especially with smaller market teams, that can't rely on attracting big name free agents, the game is all about acquiring assets and knowing when to flip them. It will not happen as casually as you think it can.






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drake20
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Put down the controller and shut off NBA Live.

That playoff team, your words not mine, is middling at best. That sets us up to be middle of the draft, then 3/5s of our starting unit has to be replaced and we have to hope that we can attract free agents. That makes no sense. Especially with smaller market teams, that can't rely on attracting big name free agents, the game is all about acquiring assets and knowing when to flip them. It will not happen as casually as you think it can.


Seriously...the Lakers would love that deal.

Vasquez
Kobe
MWP
Anderson
Dwight

...for old, hurt, ostrich Pau Gasol.






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Fleur de Diable
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...for old, hurt, ostrich Pau Gasol.


I know you don't like the guy and I don't like the above mentioned scenario of us getting him.......BUT if we somehow had him on the team, I wouldn't complain. He's still a top 5 post player, when his mind his right. One of the only post players left that you can truly run your offense through i.e. throw him the rock and let him initiate for everyone. Still has effective moves and is a willing passer. D'antoni just fricked with his chi, so now he's droopy.


ETA: I realize that this would stunt what we are trying to build and don't really hope this happens.



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brmark70816
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Put down the controller and shut off NBA Live


I haven't played video games in about 10 years, so I just barely know what you are saying. But none of the moves I said are out of the question or pure fantasy. Granger is trade bait and has been all season. A swap for Gordon is good value for value and the Pacers are about the only team that would make that gamble.

Google Anderson for Gasol and there will be about 100 links, cause that was one of the hottest rumors at the deadline. The Lakers are re-tooling this off season, so it's possible. I included Vasquez to make the money work and cause I think him as a back-up is redundant when we get Rivers back next season.

My idea is to get Roberts and Miller time as primary back-ups and give Davis and Rivers more defined roles. I love Anderson as a player, but I like Smith better as a back-up PF. He's tougher and cheaper.

Yes, the team will have a ton of turnover and will be older, but we would have tons of cap space and 6-7 established players (with no major contracts yet). The team would be middling, but would have a ton of youth and major upside. Otherwise, we are dependant on the health of Gordon, Davis and Anderson finding a niche together and hoping Vasquez becomes more complete. Plus the team will almost be capped out. It might go that way, but I'm just throwing out ideas that I think might work.






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drake20
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oh ya, he's a great player, don't get me wrong...just not right for this team--too old and probably on the decline.

...and not worth Vasquez and Anderson.

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ETA: I realize that this would stunt what we are trying to build and don't really hope this happens.


yep...on the same page



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brmark70816
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oh ya, he's a great player, don't get me wrong...just not right for this team--too old and probably on the decline


He only has a year on his contract and he is very similar to Davis, especially early in his career. What's wrong with giving Davis a really good mentor to help his transition into the league. Someone he could play off of and learn from. I think it could really pay off in the future.






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drake20
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I haven't played video games in about 10 years, so I just barely know what you are saying. But none of the moves I said are out of the question or pure fantasy. Granger is trade bait and has been all season. A swap for Gordon is good value for value and the Pacers are about the only team that would make that gamble.


Gordon is riskier, but there's a chance for much bigger return with him than with Granger.

Granger is not getting any better and not that great in the first place.

If the team is set on trading Gordon, trading for Granger wouldn't be a horrible option I guess.

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Google Anderson for Gasol and there will be about 100 links, cause that was one of the hottest rumors at the deadline.


Ya, the Lakers and Lakers fans loved the idea of this trade, and therefore, so did the media. I don't think there was every any interest from the Hornets on that scenario.







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Fleur de Diable
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Google Anderson for Gasol and there will be about 100 links, cause that was one of the hottest rumors at the deadline.



That's exactly what the frick those were, rumors. Mostly drummed up by Laker fanboys about what the Laker's should do to improve the team's talent pool to fit D'antoni's (spelling) system. I didn't say that they wouldn't like that trade, they would love that trade. However, Pau's expiring is not good enough.

I'm really indifferent to Gordon, but I still think Dell will try to get more than just cap space for him. I think they still hope that he can build his value back up.

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Otherwise, we are dependant on the health of Gordon, Davis and Anderson finding a niche together and hoping Vasquez becomes more complete.


Dependent is a great word, because in this scenario we become dependent on finding willing free agents. I'd rather already have some talent in house, then having to depend on bringing it in. I know its been said at nauseum but I'd much prefer to let this group grow together. Add another young piece via the draft, there should be no rush to overhaul this roster. That would be three straight seasons with major changes. Camaraderie has to count for something.






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LSU Shreddin
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Draft Otto Porter! The rest can fall into place.





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brmark70816
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Gordon is riskier, but there's a chance for much bigger return with him than with Granger


The trade would save the Pelicans almost 30 million in future contracts and cap space. If Granger is healthy, he is a top 10ish SF that would give the team some stability until they could find a better option. It's only a year and Granger will be motivated in a contract year. I just don't see any other teams taking a chance, until Gordon has a full healthy year.






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THRILLHO
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It's an awful trade. Vasquez/Ryno for Gasol would eat up about $10m of our ~$18m in cap space. Even though he's been struggling for a few weeks, Ryno has one of the best non-rookie deals in the NBA. Vasquez's contract is really good as well. We could get much better deals than that.

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Google Anderson for Gasol and there will be about 100 links, cause that was one of the hottest rumors at the deadline




LINK

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Earlier this season, the Hornets were rumored to be in trade discussions with the Los Angeles Lakers. However, the proposed trade of Ryan Anderson for Pau Gasol was so bad for New Orleans there was no way that deal would ever be consummated.


Let's throw in Vasquez to sweeten the pot.






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drake20
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He only has a year on his contract and he is very similar to Davis, especially early in his career.


I don't see that many similarities...What you got?

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What's wrong with giving Davis a really good mentor to help his transition into the league.


Nothing...but let him learn from the mentors at the Olympics/All-Star Games.

Keep Anderson, who can clear Davis more space in the paint for much longer.






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brmark70816
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That article was written over 2 months ago and you forgot this nugget..

"If the Hornets don't trade Anderson, then he has to start next year. This precipitates moving Davis to C, which the Hornets don't want to do"

I just don't think Davis is ready or capable of playing Center full time. If he is and it happens, then that's awesome, keep Anderson. Otherwise, I think, they need to move on from that arrangement.






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