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EastcoastEER
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


So wait.....I didn't get to watch the match yesterday (thanks work), but this is the "kick to the chest" that got Nani sent off???



Holy shit, that's a fricking joke. The way it was being described, I thought it was a De Jong vs Alonso style boot planted squarely in the sternum. Nani was tracking the ball over his left shoulder, Arbeloa is approaching from his right - Nani doesn't even know another player is in his vicinity until basically the moment of contact.

In a match with merely mediocre officiating that is, at worst, a yellow 10 out of 10 times.







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Jumbeauxlaya
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


Reckless.

it's over with, on to today's matches.






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GeauxColonels
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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i love how people who never post on the SB come over here acting like some kinda of expert.

Because I never post on this board.

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at worst, a yellow 10 out of 10 times.

Apparently not.




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EastcoastEER
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


Sure, if any play where studs get above waist level is reckless. By that standard any time a player attempts to control the ball with his boot in this manner (which is not uncommon - probably at least once a match) or any time a player attempts a bicycle kick it should be eligible for a straight red, I guess.

Is the deciding factor for red or no red then whether or not another player approaches unseen and inadvertent contact is made? Anyone who has ever even played a pickup game will tell you that's a ridiculous standard.


And, just like yesterday, I am stuck in an office and get to live vicariously though those that can actually watch.






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EastcoastEER
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


quote:

quote:
at worst, a yellow 10 out of 10 times.


Apparently not.



Apparently you missed the part about having, at a minimum, mediocre officials.






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Jumbeauxlaya
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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The challenge puts in danger the physical integrity of the opposing player. Intent doesn't matter here, Nani has the responsibility to be aware of the surrounding players and be careful with his cleats.

Edit: Document from FIFA: LINK

“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. Did Nani commit a foul that put in danger the opponent's physical integrity? Yes. Red card, easy call.


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From the laws of the game: A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: • serious foul play • violent conduct • spitting at an opponent or any other person • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) • denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures • receiving a second caution in the same match
I don't see the word "intent" or the phrase "importance of the game" included in this rule.


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I can see why United fans are complaining here, but if Pepe did this to Van Persie people would scream bloody murder. It's a harsh decision, but not a wrong one in my opinion.



There ya go, three arguments with the most traction on reddit.






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TFTC
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


Everytime I see it, everytime, there is no way I would have sent him off... I understand what the ref sees and why he did it, I just disagree...

But... It also makes their loss even more enjoyable






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cwil177
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Member since Jun 2011
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


It's a tough call either way.

Do I think it deserves a red? Honestly, after watching that replay, not really, because he didn't see the RM player and was clearly just going for the ball.

That said, the laws of the game are the laws of the game. Don't be mad at the referee, but mad at FIFA.






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GeauxColonels
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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Apparently you missed the part about having, at a minimum, mediocre officials.


Officials are part of the game. This isn't the first time we've seen bad calls. Most certainly won't be the last. To say that any judgement call would be interpreted in one way 100% of the time is ridiculous.






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EastcoastEER
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There ya go, three arguments with the most traction on reddit.


Sorry but....

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The challenge puts in danger the physical integrity of the opposing player. Intent doesn't matter here, Nani has the responsibility to be aware of the surrounding players and be careful with his cleats.

Edit: Document from FIFA: LINK

“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. Did Nani commit a foul that put in danger the opponent's physical integrity? Yes. Red card, easy call.


goes right back to my point that if you call Nani's lunge to control a free ball, in which he is unaware of an opposing player approaching from his blind side, an "excessive use of force", then all plays where studs get above knee height could result in "excessive use of force" and the only deciding factor between a red card and no card is whether or not inadvertent contact is made.

The rules (from the FIFA link) are clearly written for when two players, aware of each other, are challenging each other for the ball. That was not this situation.

"Intent", while not actually appearing in the written rules, is vital to how the rules are implemented.






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WarSlamEagle
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


I thought we were moving onto today's matches.





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etm512
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


quote:

Using excessive force




quote:

serious foul play • violent conduct


I dont see it as either of these






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Jumbeauxlaya
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Denham
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


I didn't actually do more than skim any of it, I just posted all that so he would have a sense of being part of the argument. Sucks to miss those big matches because of work, just giving him the full experience

ETA: Copy-pasta is a wonderful thing, plus sort by top comments.. badda bing badda boom.



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WarSlamEagle
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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Sucks to miss those big matches because of work,

Yeah...I skipped class to watch. Unfortunately.






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RandySavage
Member since May 2012
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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From the laws of the game: A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences


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• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures


Well if you are going to go by the rule book I'm not sure how every game doesn't end like 7 v 7. These guys rip the refs/linesmen all the time with offensive and insulting language and gestures.






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petar
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Miami
Member since May 2009
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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Eta: the biggest disgrace is why Rooney didn't start in the biggest game of the year at Old Trafford? Someone explain that shite.


To Give Giggs his 1000th match in the biggest match of the year.

Harsh call.. not totally incorrect but always feel that if in doubt make the conservative call and affect the game in the least manner possible.
Don't see intent to harm another player(as the common law system of the game has put into the rule like the Brady tuck rule in American football) or use of excessive force to trap a ball in the air. should be a yellow..

granted im a little bit of a homer, but flip the sides I wouldn't have been enraged if Pepe would have only gotten a yellow for similar hypothetical play on RvP






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RandySavage
Member since May 2012
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


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That said, the laws of the game are the laws of the game. Don't be mad at the referee, but mad at FIFA.




What in the "laws of the game" allows you to interpret that as a red card?






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SeeeeK
Missouri Fan
St.Louis
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


Jose went over to Sir Alex, and told him, it was no red.

they respect each other, and Jose would not do that with any other manager.






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texastiger921
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


that single raise of the red piece of plastic cost MUFC $20 million in revenue.








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Joe Blow
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re: Tonight was a disgrace


To add fuel to the fire...

Ref's Twitter






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