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re: F-U Pat Yasinkas
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:23 pm to liquid rabbit
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:23 pm to liquid rabbit
No sarcasm detector for you I see.
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
No, but my bullshite detector is going crazy every time you post.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:35 pm to landrywasbeast30
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It's over. The Saints still have that trophy. Let it go for goodness sake.
Not sure if you realize it's still going on, but the Saints don't have a 2nd rounder this year? Fuhrer Goofell overstepped and took away an entire season from the Saints.
I'm not saying everyone was innocent in this, but Goofy went too far. Suspending the coach for the whole season? GTFO.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:37 pm to liquid rabbit
Why you so mad? Not my fault you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic when I said my feelings were hurt.
What makes what I'm saying anymore bullsh!t than what you are anyone else says? Because I'm not agreeing with the majority on a Saints message board about a hot button Saints topic? On any other forum that's not loaded with Saints fans, you would be the one lighting up everyone's bullsh!t detector.
What makes what I'm saying anymore bullsh!t than what you are anyone else says? Because I'm not agreeing with the majority on a Saints message board about a hot button Saints topic? On any other forum that's not loaded with Saints fans, you would be the one lighting up everyone's bullsh!t detector.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:40 pm to Sho Nuff
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I'm not saying everyone was innocent in this, but Goofy went too far
I never said he didn't go too far. In fact, I specifically said he should either be fired or quit. But that gets ignored because I disagree with some of the other stuff being said. Goodell tried abusing his power and making an example out of the Saints, and it backfired on him. Everyone can see what a joke the guy is now. But that doesn't change my opinion on the other stuff being debated in here.
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Suspending the coach for the whole season? GTFO
As far as I know, Payton and Loomis never denied it. I remember people posting articles saying Vitt denied it. But I read every word of those articles, and Vitt specifically said they did have a pay for play system. Vitt's argument was that the players weren't being rewarded for illegal hits, but there was a system in place that Williams brought over from his other teams. But again, saying this probably makes me the worst poster on this board.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:42 pm to landrywasbeast30
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This is a Saints message board and I'm on the opposite side of a topic that makes Saints fans nuts. I get it.
You've also done a poor job at stating your case. You're not as bad as, say, a Bayou, but itza pretty bad.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:50 pm to Patrick O Rly
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You've also done a poor job at stating your case. You're not as bad as, say, a Bayou, but itza pretty bad
I think I've done a pretty good job. My case pretty much lines up with everything that everyone except Saints fans know to be true. I just don't understand this need for everyone to fiercely defend this.
I'm positive this team will destroy the league this year because of all this bounty crap and win the Super Bowl. And all this bounty stuff can't take away my memories of that 09 season. Hopefully the team carries as much hatred for all of this as the rest of you and shove it all in Goodell's face when he hands them the trophy.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:51 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Goodell tried abusing his power and making an example out of the Saints, and it backfired on him. Everyone can see what a joke the guy is now. But that doesn't change my opinion on the other stuff being debated in here.
But that does shite all for Saints fans, coaches, players who lost out on the 2012 season. 1 year of Brees' 5 year $100mm contract wasted. He went too fricking far.
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As far as I know, Payton and Loomis never denied it. I remember people posting articles saying Vitt denied it. But I read every word of those articles, and Vitt specifically said they did have a pay for play system.
Not pay for injury. Matter of fact, they never were paid for illegal plays and had to cough up money. So if Goofy opens his fricking ears and doesn't already have his mind made up, then maybe CSP gets suspended for 2-4 games. Still hurts the team. The loss of back to back 2nd rounders?
You can't let it go when it's still hurting the team.
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But again, saying this probably makes me the worst poster on this board.
There is a level of guilt that anyone with half a brain should accept. It's the bullshite that came with it and from it that is not acceptable.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:55 pm to Sho Nuff
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Not pay for injury. Matter of fact, they never were paid for illegal plays and had to cough up money. So if Goofy opens his fricking ears and doesn't already have his mind made up, then maybe CSP gets suspended for 2-4 games. Still hurts the team. The loss of back to back 2nd rounders?
Pretty sure just the act of paying players under the table is in itself illegal. That's another thing some people don't get. And I know it wasn't pay for injury. I specifically pointed that out in my post. But it was still a pay for play system. Either way, nice post. At least you aren't being a jacka$$ like most everyone else.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:56 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Pretty sure just the act of paying players under the table is in itself illegal.
No, it's not. It's not a CBA violation. The team can't pay players outside of their contracts, but that's not what was happening.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:59 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The team can't pay players outside of their contracts, but that's not what was happening
So the "pay for big hits" system was in the contracts? If that's true, then that changes things. As for as I know, paying guys outside of their contracts for big hits is exactly what was happening.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:03 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I think I've done a pretty good job. My case pretty much lines up with everything that everyone except Saints fans know to be true.
Yeah, which is lacking. I've followed the ins and outs of this story as much if not more than anyone who's not a journalist, and I've followed the story closer than most journalist. I went from being pissed at Payton and Loomis (who supposedly ignored repeated warnings, a narrative that was completely dropped and different reports said it's straight BS) to coming to the conclusion that Goodell jumped the gun without thoroughly fact checking the story told to him.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:04 pm to Patrick O Rly
We all know it was vendetta for the S P snubs
of Godell during Our Super Bowl week!
of Godell during Our Super Bowl week!
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:05 pm to landrywasbeast30
No it wasn't in their contracts. Those contracts have to be reviewed by the league office before they're signed. The players put their own money in.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:09 pm to Patrick O Rly
You may be swaying me on some things, but I will never admit fully to that because I don't want to hurt my chances of that Goodell Datty.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:12 pm to landrywasbeast30
That's an uphill battle. I think Lester is repeating.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:19 pm to landrywasbeast30
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there is no way to prove what hits were bounty related hits, and what hits were just normal footbal hits.
Vitt admits to a pay for play system in which players were rewarded for good, legal plays that included non-hits such as interceptions, forced fumbles, and fumble recoveries. They were also rewarded for good, legal hits.
They were fined for hits (whether clean or not) that resulted in penalties as well as for making stupid mistakes such as missed tackles.
No proof of a pay to injure program was made public outside of conflicting testimony from one very disgruntled ex-employee and one recently fired coach.
No proof has been offered to the public of the existence of a program that offered incentives for targeting certain players or injuring an opponent. The only logical conclusion that anyone here can draw is that there were no bounty related hits because there was no 'bounty' system.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:31 pm to cuddlemonkey
But there was a system that paid people for big hits right? If it's the players that were putting up the money like Paddy says, I guess that's not a problem. But if it's the team paying players under the table for this stuff, that's a problem.
Also, when I think "bounty", I don't automatically think of paying to injure people. I think just paying for big hits can be a "bounty system". This can lead to players being injured. It doesn't just have to be having a bounty on someone's head.
Also, when I think "bounty", I don't automatically think of paying to injure people. I think just paying for big hits can be a "bounty system". This can lead to players being injured. It doesn't just have to be having a bounty on someone's head.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:37 pm to landrywasbeast30
My biggest gripe has been your use of 'bounty' when arquing your side.
The whole concept and use of the term from the start by the NFL was mis-used.
If the debate doesn't start with 'pay for performance' its already flawed.
The whole concept and use of the term from the start by the NFL was mis-used.
If the debate doesn't start with 'pay for performance' its already flawed.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:42 pm to landrywasbeast30
1. The league originally offered a slide that was illegible in places that, when cleaned up, suddenly showed Vitt pledging money to the pool. When he challenged this, the accusation was dropped. It was the players and only the players putting in money.
2. The league has been using the term "bounty" since Day One to describe a pay for injury system. That is not at all accurate according to the only credible testimony.
3. If Tagliabue vacated the player suspensions because there was no way to determine intent, then nobody can use "they may have crossed the line in the future" as an excuse. you can't punish someone for murder because they got into a bar fight one night and they may take it too far next time.
2. The league has been using the term "bounty" since Day One to describe a pay for injury system. That is not at all accurate according to the only credible testimony.
3. If Tagliabue vacated the player suspensions because there was no way to determine intent, then nobody can use "they may have crossed the line in the future" as an excuse. you can't punish someone for murder because they got into a bar fight one night and they may take it too far next time.
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