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re: ESPN: "UT has chance to build Louisiana pipeline"
Posted on 3/6/13 at 10:25 am to Bernie Moore
Posted on 3/6/13 at 10:25 am to Bernie Moore
So Texas didnt want Shepard, Loston, Paris, Brockers,Brooks, Flynn, Black, Hunter, E Hill, Toliver, or Addai?
These are just the few NFL or big time recruits that I can remember off hand, Im sure theyre plenty more.
U say Texas didnt recruit Shepard because they told him no shot at QB?
If Les Miles had the number 1 high school recruit in the nation wanting to come to LSU and all he had to do was give the guy a shot at the QB position first to get that deal done... If he hadnt done that, he wouldve been persecuted over here.
Certainly Texas is still Texas and if they spent enough money in La Im sure one or two players would like their recruiter or Austin, but they would never get their bang for their buck here in La.
U keep telling us to check with high school coaches to find out how powerful Texas is. I would challenge u to talk to LSU recruiters and ask them are they even the least bit worried about Texas coming in here outside of Shreveport and doing any damage in recruiting our star players next yr?
Again which recruits do u think Texas will land next yr from La?
And if u do come up with one, will he be more highly regarded than Paris?
The reality is Miles has done a terrific job of keeping La talent in the state thus far.Id put his record up against any SEC school.
U do sound like a guy who knows some things about college football, but the facts are the facts.
These are just the few NFL or big time recruits that I can remember off hand, Im sure theyre plenty more.
U say Texas didnt recruit Shepard because they told him no shot at QB?
If Les Miles had the number 1 high school recruit in the nation wanting to come to LSU and all he had to do was give the guy a shot at the QB position first to get that deal done... If he hadnt done that, he wouldve been persecuted over here.
Certainly Texas is still Texas and if they spent enough money in La Im sure one or two players would like their recruiter or Austin, but they would never get their bang for their buck here in La.
U keep telling us to check with high school coaches to find out how powerful Texas is. I would challenge u to talk to LSU recruiters and ask them are they even the least bit worried about Texas coming in here outside of Shreveport and doing any damage in recruiting our star players next yr?
Again which recruits do u think Texas will land next yr from La?
And if u do come up with one, will he be more highly regarded than Paris?
The reality is Miles has done a terrific job of keeping La talent in the state thus far.Id put his record up against any SEC school.
U do sound like a guy who knows some things about college football, but the facts are the facts.
This post was edited on 3/6/13 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 3/6/13 at 10:28 am to Bernie Moore
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LSU has never gotten a player out of Texas that UT wanted.LSU can't say the same.
Oh he trolling guys. Nothing to see here
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:31 am to wildtigercat93
Texas usually has recruiting finished by June. Guess the five guys from Louisiana that start for aTm were stolen from LSU.Texas,like Louisiana produces more players than they can take.Brown selects his players during camps and usually has recruiting finished by the summer before national signing day the following Feb.
Brockers was a good prospect,but Texas had wrapped up their recruiting by the time Brockers commited to LSU. Texas liked Vaccoro better than Loston.He is better than Loston. Mack told Shep he would not play QB at Texas.
Everybody gets good players from Texas because of the quanity of talent.Did Arky take Peters from LSU?Did Ole Miss take Mike Wallace and Ben Jarvis Green Ellis from LSU? See how that goes!
If Texas starts targeting Louisiana,they will be a serious threat like Bama.
Mack Brown was on the LSU staff thirty years ago and was their best recruiter. LSU offered him the LSU job after Hallman was fired but he turned it down.
Brockers was a good prospect,but Texas had wrapped up their recruiting by the time Brockers commited to LSU. Texas liked Vaccoro better than Loston.He is better than Loston. Mack told Shep he would not play QB at Texas.
Everybody gets good players from Texas because of the quanity of talent.Did Arky take Peters from LSU?Did Ole Miss take Mike Wallace and Ben Jarvis Green Ellis from LSU? See how that goes!
If Texas starts targeting Louisiana,they will be a serious threat like Bama.
Mack Brown was on the LSU staff thirty years ago and was their best recruiter. LSU offered him the LSU job after Hallman was fired but he turned it down.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:33 am to Patrick_Bateman
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:44 am to Bernie Moore
Yep. Based on the past several years, Mack Brown clearly knows what he's doing. . . How can LSU compete with UT's success?
Posted on 3/7/13 at 11:03 am to Bernie Moore
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Texas usually has recruiting finished by June. Brown selects his players during camps and usually has recruiting finished by the summer before national signing day the following Feb.
Brockers was a good prospect,but Texas had wrapped up their recruiting by the time Brockers commited to LSU.
You make it sound like Texas and Mack Brown are the only one's that use camps to evaluate and lock up recruits. LSU, Bama and all top programs are doing that and have for several years. If they stop recruiting by June and pass on late bloomers as you suggest, well that explains 22-16 the last 3 years. That would be lazy and freaking stupid.
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If Texas starts targeting Louisiana,they will be a serious threat like Bama.
I have never understood why Texas does not recruit more nationally. Sure Texas produces a lot of talent, but they have the name and the appeal of Austin they should be able to recruit nationally. I think arrogance and laziness are the reasons they don't. However, I'm not the least bit concerned about Texas targeting La. As big of threat as Bama is, we've still only lost 1 guy, Collins, that we really fought for. And if they do target La, that just leaves more guy's open in Texas.
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Mack Brown was on the LSU staff thirty years ago and was their best recruiter.
I know you are probably trolling, but this is taking it to a new level. 30 years ago? really?
When Mack Brown was on the LSU staff the HC at Alabama was Bear Bryant. No one disputes he is a great recruiter, that's been his best attribute at Texas, but his time is past. He's done. quote:
LSU offered him the LSU job after Hallman was fired but he turned it down
IIRC we technically did not offer him the job because is salary demands were more than cheap arse Joe Dean wanted to pay. I would have loved Mack Brown in 1994, not so much in 2013.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 11:34 am to H-Town Tiger
Until Mack Brown starts to like recruiting and gets off his lazy but and puts some effort into it, this is much ado about nothing.
UT is a good school and a top program, but it seems to be in slow decline.
The article is right.
Texas has an opportunity to build a "pipeline" into La.
So does Montana State and Univ. of New Hampshire.
UT is a good school and a top program, but it seems to be in slow decline.
The article is right.
Texas has an opportunity to build a "pipeline" into La.
So does Montana State and Univ. of New Hampshire.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 12:36 pm to Bernie Moore
quote:This is complete bullshite. he did a great job with Risher, but he wasn't here long enough to even know if he was a great recruiter. Coach Stovall and Coach Jenkins were our best Recruiters, PERIOD.
Mack Brown was on the LSU Staff thirty years ago and was their best recruiter
Posted on 3/7/13 at 12:43 pm to Bernie Moore
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Texas usually has recruiting finished by June. Guess the five guys from Louisiana that start for aTm were stolen from LSU.Texas,like Louisiana produces more players than they can take.Brown selects his players during camps and usually has recruiting finished by the summer before national signing day the following Feb.
Brockers was a good prospect,but Texas had wrapped up their recruiting by the time Brockers commited to LSU. Texas liked Vaccoro better than Loston.He is better than Loston. Mack told Shep he would not play QB at Texas.
or maybe they didnt want to go to texas and told them to f off so yall took someone else...the delsuion is strong with you
Posted on 3/7/13 at 12:48 pm to redfieldk717
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Brockers was a good prospect,but Texas had wrapped up their recruiting by the time Brockers commited to LSU.
And many Texas insiders will tell you that this is a microcosm of all of the problems Texas has had the last couple of years.
Which will continue as long as Mack Brown is allowed to stay and bleed them dry.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:13 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
I second this--even though this was many years ago, doubt Mack Brown was LSU's best recruiter.
Even many Longhorn fans & alums acknowledge Mack is losing too many great in-state recruits and things must change or he'll be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.
Even many Longhorn fans & alums acknowledge Mack is losing too many great in-state recruits and things must change or he'll be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:24 am to rjokerlsu
AND the Texas football myth continues.
Texas has landed Toshiro Davis and who else?
A&M landed a handfull of Louisiana kids who LSU didn't offer including Noel Ellis.
I suppose the writers of these pro-texas aticles of late are oblivious to ED Paris and Hardeman??
In all fairness, what do they think is so enticing fo a Louisiana kid in Austin that he will leave home and a chance to play for his home state? These writers simply don't understand Louisiana or the people here.
What has gotten many of these writer's attention this past season is the simple fact that LSU went national in recruiting and put together a top 5 class. It surprises them and they know that if LSU can go national and dominate the State of Louisiana the way it did this recruiting class then LSU will be a serious force to be dealt with for a long time. For whatever reason, they just don't like it.
Too damn bad. By the way, UT has nothing on LSU. Nothing. Hell, they had better be worried about their own backyard because LSU is cherry picking and A&M is about to jump them in-state.
Texas has landed Toshiro Davis and who else?
A&M landed a handfull of Louisiana kids who LSU didn't offer including Noel Ellis.
I suppose the writers of these pro-texas aticles of late are oblivious to ED Paris and Hardeman??
In all fairness, what do they think is so enticing fo a Louisiana kid in Austin that he will leave home and a chance to play for his home state? These writers simply don't understand Louisiana or the people here.
What has gotten many of these writer's attention this past season is the simple fact that LSU went national in recruiting and put together a top 5 class. It surprises them and they know that if LSU can go national and dominate the State of Louisiana the way it did this recruiting class then LSU will be a serious force to be dealt with for a long time. For whatever reason, they just don't like it.
Too damn bad. By the way, UT has nothing on LSU. Nothing. Hell, they had better be worried about their own backyard because LSU is cherry picking and A&M is about to jump them in-state.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 8:29 am
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:54 am to STRIPES
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In all fairness, what do they think is so enticing fo a Louisiana kid in Austin that he will leave home and a chance to play for his home state? These writers simply don't understand Louisiana or the people here.
In all fairness, Austin and the Hill country are very nice. And by the same token what is so enticing to make other kids leave Texas or any other state? Certainly LSU looks to have a better team over the next couple of years and compete at a higher level, but that can change almost over night.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:06 am to STRIPES
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A&M is about to jump them in-state.
About to????? Better look again
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:26 am to STRIPES
Texas is a major brand in college football. I'm a die had Tiger fan but realize that Texas has the clout to be a serious threat for any recruit they target in Louisiana.They have flipped Mike Davis and Toshiro Davis after both had been commited to LSU. They must still be relevant.
When Frank Herron visited Texas,there were a lot of you with tight asses then.I try to be a realistic Tiger fan,not like many of the band geeks that post.
What recruits have switched from Texas to LSU in the last ten years?
I suspect that Texas has Mack's successor lined up.
Brown was a good recruiter in New Orleana area at LSU and Tulane.
Please see success Brown had at North Carolina.He recruited New Orleans very well while at OU too.
Texas has locked up recruiting too early in my opinion,but they know more than me.Recruiting system enhanced white QBs from the schools with so much more talent than the teams they played that failed to test the kids' mental toughness has led to Horn's demise.I suspect they realize this now.When you have ten or more good Div One QB recruits each year,you are bound to miss on some.
Personally,I consider Texas a threat in Louisiana. If Texas offered Frank Wilson a job he would listen. They have the money.
When Frank Herron visited Texas,there were a lot of you with tight asses then.I try to be a realistic Tiger fan,not like many of the band geeks that post.
What recruits have switched from Texas to LSU in the last ten years?
I suspect that Texas has Mack's successor lined up.
Brown was a good recruiter in New Orleana area at LSU and Tulane.
Please see success Brown had at North Carolina.He recruited New Orleans very well while at OU too.
Texas has locked up recruiting too early in my opinion,but they know more than me.Recruiting system enhanced white QBs from the schools with so much more talent than the teams they played that failed to test the kids' mental toughness has led to Horn's demise.I suspect they realize this now.When you have ten or more good Div One QB recruits each year,you are bound to miss on some.
Personally,I consider Texas a threat in Louisiana. If Texas offered Frank Wilson a job he would listen. They have the money.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:29 am to Bernie Moore
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Brown was a good recruiter in New Orleana area at LSU and Tulane.
Please give us some evidence that would support this, he was barely at each school.
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Please see success Brown had at North Carolina.He recruited New Orleans very well while at OU too.
Can you give us a list of kids from New Orleans that he signed at each school?
Look, I think we all realize you have Mack's cock firmly lodged in your throat right now, but you don't have to make things up about him.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:00 am to Bernie Moore
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Texas is a major brand in college football. I'm a die had Tiger fan but realize that Texas has the clout to be a serious threat for any recruit they target in Louisiana.They have flipped Mike Davis and Toshiro Davis after both had been commited to LSU. They must still be relevant.
What recruits have switched from Texas to LSU in the last ten years?
No rational person would despute they have a brand name or that they could offer a lot. You however, are clearly living in the past because you don't realize LSU has become a brand name and offers a lot as well. That they flipped 2 guys from LSU, one of which was from Texas, is a meaningless anecdote. If they could just swoop in and take whoever they want, why haven't they tried before? It's not like Mack Brown just started there.
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suspect that Texas has Mack's successor lined up.
Doesn't sound like it, but how is that relevant?
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Brown was a good recruiter in New Orleana area at LSU and Tulane.
Please see success Brown had at North Carolina.He recruited New Orleans very well while at OU too.
All of that, except UNC was in the 1980's. 25-30 years ago
And who did he get from NOLA at UNC? Did you realize that LSU is a much different program now than in the early 90's? quote:
Personally,I consider Texas a threat in Louisiana
Then you are either trolling or you are just one of those paranoid LSU fans that can't accept LSU is now one of the big boys. The days when other programs could come from out of state and offer more than LSU are over.
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If Texas offered Frank Wilson a job he would listen. They have the money.
link? How the frick do you know what Frank Wilson would do? Oh and LSU has money too. I think LSU is the only school with 2 coordinators slated to make over $1M. Texas may have more money, but they can not offer any more to coaches that LSU could not afford to match.Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:08 am to Bernie Moore
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If Texas offered Frank Wilson a job he would listen. They have the money.
My god man, somehow in each successive post you manage to come off more and more like an idiot. Now UT can not only steal Louisiana recruits but can also poach members of our staff at will
And what does Frank Herron have to do with anything at all? Last I checked he was from Memphis, not Louisiana. I thought the subject of our discussion was UT setting up a pipeline in Louisiana, no?
UT flipped Mike Davis, LSU flipped Perriloux. Even. UT got 'Shiro Davis, LSU got Shep, Loston, David Jenkins, Terrance Toliver, and probably more I just can't think of off the top of my head. Advantage LSU.
Fact is LSU is a bigger threat to Texas recruiting at the moment and Texas is to LSU recruiting. Look no further than this year, we've already pulled Paris and we're in excellent shape for Brown, both of whom have UT offers, and it is still very early in the process. I feel pretty confident in saying UT's "pipeline" to Louisiana won't be superior to LSU's pipeline to Texas.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:23 am to ProjectP2294
Project,he had one of the Joseph brothers at Tulane and recruited New Orleans well enough that LSU wanted him to replace Curley He had one of the Joseph brothers at OU.While at NC he got Dirty Dozen Chucky Parquet and his highly recruited lineman team mate.You can find the rosters for the above mentioned schools.
I'm not a Brown lover,it's Texas that worries me regardless of the coach.
I'm not a Brown lover,it's Texas that worries me regardless of the coach.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:43 am to tigerfan4120
Tigerfan,LSU has not taken a player Texas wanted since RP who was never in love with Texas but miffed at Saban because he would not kiss his arse.Ask anyone familiar with his recruitment.
Sorry about not applying directly to your post,but I have not been able to copy and paste on this site for couple of mos.
LSU recruits Texas more than they recruit La.Same with Ole Miss recruiting Louisiana more than LSU recruits Ms.Are you saying Ole Miss took Ellis and Wallace from LSU? Did aTm take the Louisiana kids they signed this year from LSU? No,just like LSU did not take the players who signed with LSU from Texas? Texas didn't offer Drew Brees from Austin or Chase Daniel either.
Sorry about not applying directly to your post,but I have not been able to copy and paste on this site for couple of mos.
LSU recruits Texas more than they recruit La.Same with Ole Miss recruiting Louisiana more than LSU recruits Ms.Are you saying Ole Miss took Ellis and Wallace from LSU? Did aTm take the Louisiana kids they signed this year from LSU? No,just like LSU did not take the players who signed with LSU from Texas? Texas didn't offer Drew Brees from Austin or Chase Daniel either.
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