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re: Cap update: ~$2m over, Will Smith update: still fat
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:46 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:46 pm to Patrick O Rly
you see, i already know what a 3-4 end looks like and how they are supposed to play.
yall are just making shite up as you go.
yall are just making shite up as you go.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:47 pm to Patrick O Rly
Notice he ignored Washington
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:49 pm to Lester Earl
I never said Smith wasn't big enough. I said he's not strong enough to draw double teams consistently, which a 3-4 DE needs to do.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:49 pm to Chad504boy
some are bigger, some are smaller. never said otherwise
btw, wash had a bottom ranked defense.
btw, wash had a bottom ranked defense.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:50 pm to Lester Earl
Also defensively got devastated by numerous injuries
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:52 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I said he's not strong enough to draw double teams consistently,
the role of your nose tackle is to draw double teams.
not really the job of the 3-4 end
rob ryan's 3-4 isnt really a conventional one anyway. He'd play some 5 technique, some 3 technique, maybe even some olb
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:55 pm to Lester Earl
this guy isnt pushing 290-300lbs?
lol
Posted on 2/28/13 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
He still has to be able to draw some teams or the linebackers will be swallowed up by the guards/tackles. And I know Ryan runs a 1 gap that requires the linemen to be disruptive, which doesn't sound like Smith's bag either.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:05 pm to Patrick O Rly
he just needs to hold up at the point of attack and help free the linebackers.
and i think on passing situations he can get after the QB. keep in mind the blitzing options from the outside are increased in the 3-4. He goes from being the guy in the 4-3 that they must key on on 3rd down, to the 3rd/4th option they must block in the 3-4. That takes some pressure off of him.
I think he did that in DAL because he never had a true NT. He had jay ratliff and that is what he was best at.
back in CLE he had Shaun Rogers at NT, and ran a more traditional front
and i think on passing situations he can get after the QB. keep in mind the blitzing options from the outside are increased in the 3-4. He goes from being the guy in the 4-3 that they must key on on 3rd down, to the 3rd/4th option they must block in the 3-4. That takes some pressure off of him.
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. And I know Ryan runs a 1 gap that requires the linemen to be disruptive, which doesn't sound like Smith's bag either.
I think he did that in DAL because he never had a true NT. He had jay ratliff and that is what he was best at.
back in CLE he had Shaun Rogers at NT, and ran a more traditional front
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:08 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Tell that to the OT's who escort him out of the play on the regular
I think that has more to do with how wide he gets on his pass rush than anything. He goes wide anticipating a pass play, then the running back goes right past him. This doesn't really have anything to do with o-linemen handling him in my opinion. He takes himself out of the play by going as wide as he does.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:10 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Oh, but he's so strong!
Why is that funny? Is strength not one of the main factors of playing that position?
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:11 pm to Chad504boy
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He's 300lbs give or take 16lbs
I really don't understand your argument about his size. The guy is probably bigger than Cam Jordan.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:13 pm to landrywasbeast30
284 listed on saints site
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:15 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I never said Smith wasn't big enough. I said he's not strong enough to draw double teams consistently
How do you know this? Cam Jordan wasn't commanding double teams either. That wasn't their job before. Smith seemed to hold up pretty well playing some 3-4 end for Gregg Williams. Funny how you all keep ignoring this fact.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:17 pm to Chad504boy
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284 listed on saints site
Which isn't bad for a 3-4 DE. But, he has been listed at that weight since his rookie year. Or you suggesting the guy hasn't gained weight since his rookie year? He looks to have clearly gained weight in my opinion.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:17 pm to Lester Earl
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yall are just making shite up as you go
Yep
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:22 pm to landrywasbeast30
That is his current weight
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:26 pm to landrywasbeast30
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How do you know this? Cam Jordan wasn't commanding double teams either. That wasn't their job before. Smith seemed to hold up pretty well playing some 3-4 end for Gregg Williams. Funny how you all keep ignoring this fact.
smith's job before was rushing the passer as a 4-3DE, right? If he couldn't beat someone 1v1 as a rusher and was pushed back often during run plays last year, how are you going to prove to me he can handle double teams in a 3-4?
He played 3-4end in GW's scheme occasionally, not majority of the time, and he hasn't done it even that well since the 09 season! I've watched him get beat the last couple of years and doesn't demand a double team because most tackles can handle him 1v1 with ease. Hell when he was shifted to 4-3 DT on some plays he still got beat.
It's about to be 4 years later, he's getting old and costs too much to be effective. he's taking away reps from younger blood that could be more impressive. Not worth it, veteran leadership did us jack shite last year.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:29 pm to htran90
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he's taking away reps from younger blood that could be more impressive.
Who, on our roster, can even play 3-4 DE?
I am all for getting better players if we can, but as of right now, we are in a bind. Both financially, and talent-wise
Posted on 2/28/13 at 5:35 pm to Lester Earl
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I am all for getting better players if we can, but as of right now, we are in a bind. Both financially, and talent-wise
We are in a bind because of him you gump. Getting rid of he and others and moving some shite around will allow us to find his replacement and then some. While our QB salary is not moving, this dudes sure can. As well as others.
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