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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:36 pm to Fearthehat0307)
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:36 pm to Fearthehat0307)
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quail man
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:36 pm to Fearthehat0307)
Wiki article on PER
eta: mine is best 
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:37 pm to Fearthehat0307)
PER explanation
ETA: No my link is best I promise.
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:37 pm to Cap Crunch)
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:39 pm to Fearthehat0307)
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:43 pm to tehchampion140)
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PER explanation
ETA: No my link is best I promise.
your's is indeed the best. I had read espn's write up about it before and it didn't really help my understanding. the wiki article made it clearer and your's had the most info 
eta: actually I think your's and the wiki had the same info so they were equivalent
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:44 pm to Fearthehat0307)
The wiki article was the first link that came up on lmgtfy. I win. I got you the info first in the most smartass way
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:45 pm to Fearthehat0307)
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your's is
i'm glad you didnt pick mine, which was the exact same as champ's, only the non-mobile version.
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:47 pm to quail man)
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i'm glad you didnt pick mine, which was the exact same as champ's, only the non-mobile version.
I went back and looked at it again and realized they were the same. so I eta'd my post.
also the English language is wrong not me. your's needs an apostrophe to show ownership
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:47 pm to quail man)
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Jester
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:48 pm to quail man)
PER is a completely arbitrary "stat" that compiles other stats into a stat with a fancy name that makes people think it's more representative than it really is.
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Jester
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 5:56 pm to Jester)
Problems with PER from the Wiki link:
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PER largely measures offensive performance. Hollinger freely admits that two of the defensive statistics it incorporates -- blocks and steals -- can produce a distorted picture of a player's value and that PER is not a reliable measure of a player's defensive acumen. For example, Bruce Bowen, widely regarded as one of the best defenders in the NBA (at least through the 2006-07 season), has routinely posted single-digit PERs.
The same goes for Def Rating. It puts way too much emphasis on individual stats (blocks, steals) that can often come at the expense of overall team defense.
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In addition, some have argued that PER gives undue weight to a player's contribution in limited minutes, or against a team's second unit, and it undervalues players who have enough diversity in their game to play starter's minutes.
Looking at you, Eric Bledsoe.
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Lastly, PER rewards inefficient shooting. To quote Dave Berri, the author of The Wages of Wins:
"Hollinger argues that each two point field goal made is worth about 1.65 points. A three point field goal made is worth 2.65 points. A missed field goal, though, costs a team 0.72 points. Given these values, with a bit of math we can show that a player will break even on his two point field goal attempts if he hits on 30.4% of these shots. On three pointers the break-even point is 21.4%. If a player exceeds these thresholds, and virtually every NBA player does so with respect to two-point shots, the more he shoots the higher his value in PERs. So a player can be an inefficient scorer and simply inflate his value by taking a large number of shots."
Proof, in my opinion, that PER is a faulty stat. It's supposed to indicate a player's efficiency, but completely ignores his shooting efficiency.
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:00 pm to Jester)
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Proof, in my opinion, that PER is a faulty stat
It has its flaws- some of which you pointed out. It is not a cure all stat.
But I don't know of any other stat that effectively and accurately measures who the top players in the league are each year.
PER is a useful tool to rank players. It's not the be all, end all by any means though.
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quail man
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:47 pm to Jester)
it has its limitations...but it's a hell of a lot better than just looking at PPG and RPG
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:52 pm to quail man)
A+: Vasquez
A: Anderson, Mason
B+: Davis
B: Aminu, Gordon
B-: Lopez
C+ : Smith
C-: Roberts
D: Thomas
F: Rivers,
F-: Henry
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 9:54 pm to Cap Crunch)
Oh my, you guys are hurt. I hope it gets better for y'all. I said David is a c. Would mean he is about what everyone thought he would be. the per, nice.
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| re: At the Hive Mid-Season Player Grades (Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:32 pm to corndeaux)
Aminu A ? 
This guy got benched for part of the season and he's an 'A?' I'm glad he's improved but our SF situation is hardly settled
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