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JimMorrison 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:39 pm to Tiger1242)
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I like Troy...
I like Gladiator more but I like Troy.
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RollTide1987 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 4:36 pm to Rittdog)
I like Troy. The unrated director's cut would have been awesome had they not changed the soundtrack. One of the only times Diane Kruger flashes her tits and her arse all at once.
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SoFla Tideroller
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 5:05 pm to RollTide1987)
Phoenix's deformed chest and harelip make Gladiator tough for me to watch.
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SouljaBreauxTellEm 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 5:08 pm to Rittdog)
Just cuz Gladiator is more beastly, doesn't mean Troy didn't work. It's decent.
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Random LSU Hero 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 6:15 pm to CottonWasKing)
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I've always enjoyed Troy
yeah me too
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SteveLSU35
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 6:41 pm to Fearthehat0307)
There were to many cheesy lines in Troy, but it is a decent movie.
What is your name soldier.....I will remember that name....
It was to forced at times.
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Da #1 Stunna
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 7:46 pm to SteveLSU35)
Gladiator was an excellent movie. Cast was great. The story was very good and the action was excellent and believable.
While I like Troy and find it entertaining (I actually own both DVD's), it was a cheap imitation. Pitt was ok, Bana was very good. Bloom was pathetic as always. The guy they chose to be the King of Troy was TERRIBLE. His character was a weakling and he had plastic surgery (Bruce Jenner) eyes.
The difference between the 2 movies can be summed up in 1 scene of Troy. The scene where they are having a big battle and Achilles is on strike to make a point to the king. So the big epic war scene is raging on with carnage everywhere and suddenly Achilles' cousin shows up dressed as Achilles. At that point the entire epic war scene stops on a dime and Bana and the cousin dressed as Achilles go one on one. Completely unrealistic and made a great scene a total farce.
I love Gladiator. I like Troy.
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JohnnyBgood
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:13 pm to Da #1 Stunna)
An even better question is who would win in a one on one fight, Achilles or Maximus??
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davesdawgs 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:22 pm to Rittdog)
Honestly I enjoyed Troy as much as Gladiator; 2 of my favorite rewatchable movies.
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JombieZombie
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:32 pm to davesdawgs)
Neither are great films; the difference is Ridley Scott.
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prplhze2000
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:37 pm to Rittdog)
1. They sterilized Troy. Illiad was a great script, and they ignored it. So Achilles escapes death and helps the Trojans? No mention of the gods. No King Priam visiting Achilles disguised as a woman. No Cassandra. Ending was stupid.
2. Script was just plain better in Gladiator. You could actually pull for Crowe's character, who suffered. Not Achilles. He just wants glory. Removing his death made him less of a sympathetic character.
3. In Troy they kept talking about how epic the war would be but never actually got around to making the war epic. You would never know it was a ten year war from the movie, just lasted a few weeks or so.
Maximus was more believable when you study the Emperor Trajan. VEry good general, Spanish, there were quite a few similarities between their characters.
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cssamerican 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:40 pm to JombieZombie)
Gladiator had Commodus like him or not he made the movie more than any other character.
Troy had the better fight scene. The Bana Pitt fight scene was great, but it is in the middle of the movie.
In Gladiator Maximus goes out like a champ, Achilles goes out kinda blah. Not much you can do about it since the story was written a long time ago.
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harmonics
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:47 pm to Rittdog)
I never watched Troy because it was released during a time when there were entirely too many war movies of the same kind being released. It was nauseating. Already had Gladiator, then there was the LOTR triology, then Troy, King Arthur, Kingdom of Heaven....... Mother of god.
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:49 pm to Rittdog)
I thought Gladiator was a mediocre film. Troy is better imo
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jose canseco
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:00 pm to tigerfan88)
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It just didn't have near the backstory and plot to really be critically acclaimed like Gladiator
Troy had one of the greatest backstories in literary history. I think poeple where upset when they changed to story from the epic novels.
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:10 pm to Da #1 Stunna)
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The guy they chose to be the King of Troy was TERRIBLE.
this may be the first time peter o'toole has been referred to as "that guy" 
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Weebie
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:19 pm to Rittdog)
what my homeboy, and Oscar nominee for his performance in "Gladiator" Joaquin Phoenix thinks about Troy -
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chinese58
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:52 pm to magildachunks)
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Phoenix character just wasn't menacing. He was a whiny, spoiled little wimp.
Yes, Commodus was so f'ed up his father didn't name him king. Couldn't have had the movie with him being any other way.
Phoenix was great in that role. Everything you said about him made him a despicable character that was easy to hate. He had to kill his own father, threaten to kill his nephew, spend the whole movie trying to sleep with his sister and partially incapacitate the hero of the movie before fighting him to the death. How could we believe anyone other than a non-menacing, whiny, spoiled little wimp would do such things.
Maximus was the perfect foil because he was a loyal and honorable soldier who fought for Commodus' father while the punk was play fighting with his trainers & trying to sleep with his sister. Max actually fought his way to where he was and earned everything he got.
The non-menacing, whiny, spoiled little wimp took his family & his land, the only things he cared about, away. The rest of the movie is just righting the wrongs. Any decent human being would love such a simple story.
It has to do with PATHOS (Greek, suffering, experience, emotion, from paschein (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer; perhaps akin to Lithuanian kesti to suffer) and ETHOS (New Latin, from Greek ethos custom, character).
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bomber77 
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:08 pm to Rittdog)
Like them both although I like gladiator a little better. Both have great rewatch ability IMO.
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AmosMosesAndTwins
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| re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt? (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:06 am to Rittdog)
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Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt?
Orlando Bloom.
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