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If the read-option really is a mainstay in the NFL...
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:25 am
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:25 am
What does that mean for quarterback longevity?
For sake of the argument, say Manning, Brady, Brees all excelled under center as dual-threat QB's. Would they still be playing at a high level at the age they are now?
For sake of the argument, say Manning, Brady, Brees all excelled under center as dual-threat QB's. Would they still be playing at a high level at the age they are now?
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:27 am to Broski
Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton did ok
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton did ok
No where near the same offense. They were scramblers that knew when it was safe to tuck and run and both ran less and less the older they got.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:32 am to Broski
Most of these read option qbs are going to get hurt sometime in their career. I am hoping this is a fad like the run and gun and no huddle.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:36 am to tigerbait3488
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I am hoping this is a fad
It is.
Unless the league makes some kind of rule change for running quarterbacks, which honestly, after recent years, I could see happening.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:45 am to Broski
I mean if your QB is smart enough to take what the D gives him then it shouldn't be a problem. Kap had 170 of his 183 yards rushing against the Pack before first contact.
Atlanta said "you're not going to beat us like that" so Kap said ok and beat them via Vernon Davis.
It's never going to be the whole offense, but yes I think it has a place in the NFL long term as a part of the offense.
Atlanta said "you're not going to beat us like that" so Kap said ok and beat them via Vernon Davis.
It's never going to be the whole offense, but yes I think it has a place in the NFL long term as a part of the offense.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It's never going to be the whole offense, but yes I think it has a place in the NFL long term as a part of the offense.
But can these QB's be running it when they are in their mid 30's?
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:01 am to Broski
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But can these QB's be running it when they are in their mid 30's?
If they are avoiding contact like mentioned above then sure
But if they start acting like they're running backs then they're going to get beat up
That being said, they still take much less of a pounding than an actual RB that touches the ball 15 times a game
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:01 am to Broski
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But can these QB's be running it when they are in their mid 30's?
I don't know. I guess we'll find out.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:04 am to Powerman
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If they are avoiding contact like mentioned above then sure
But if they start acting like they're running backs then they're going to get beat up
That being said, they still take much less of a pounding than an actual RB that touches the ball 15 times a game
It isn't only about the hits though, your speed will naturally decrease as you get older.
Remember how untouchable Vick was in Atlanta, now, at age 32, he is a mediocre QB.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
The problem is when you run the option the defense can hit your QB even if he hands it off. That's the first thing Golic and Stink said when asked how to defend it. Hit the QB every single time and get him out if the game.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:06 am to Broski
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It isn't only about the hits though, your speed will naturally decrease as you get older.
Remember how untouchable Vick was in Atlanta, now, at age 32, he is a mediocre QB.
Vick still has some tread on the tires
Playing with that terrible offensive line is what made him look bad IMO
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:18 am to Powerman
So basically what you r sayingis that Golic and Stink think you should intentionally hurt the qb to knock him out of game...sorta like a bounty but not actually calling it that. fricking double standards of the media.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:19 am to Broski
The read option guys are winning because their defense has been slightly better than the teams they were playing.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:24 am to Broski
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But can these QB's be running it when they are in their mid 30's?
I have no doubt they can. By the time Colin Kaepernick is in his mid-30s there will be new rules out there protecting dual threat quarterbacks.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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so Kap said ok and beat them via Vernon Davis.
It's never going to be the whole offense, but yes I think it has a place in the NFL long term as a part of the offense.
I can feel the hate FLOWING through my veins.
But for the OP. If the QB can run intelligently and can throw it is unstoppable FOR NOW.
Some d-coordinator will figure it out. I assume you can defend it like any option sort of. Cover runner and pitch-man with assigned people.
But RG3 showed how NOT to run it. If you continue to run like a dipshit halfback wannabe you will get concussed or flamingo-kneed like or BOTH like he did over the course of a year. The only QB who should EVER run like that was John Elway IN 1998. End of season possibly end of career SB winning drive. Then run with your head down and get helicoptered.
They will all learn. Both the QB's and Defenses. But to win long term you still HAVE to be ABLE to drop back and stand in a pocket and pass. And while my blood BOILS with Niner hate I have to say Kapernick appears able to do both.
But with him and RG3 it is just like Cam Newton. Let's see next year. With d-coordinators having a year worth of game film to study and make adjustments??? But if you have a young Mike Vick's legs and Peyton Manning/Drew Brees head? I can see it NEVER being stopped.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:55 am to RollTide1987
Throwing under pressure is what gets you hurt as a QB. Not running the ball
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:55 am to Broski
I haven't seen a qb hurt on the mesh. The beauty of this play is that it's run into the middle of the defense and it's a quick.
The old school option with a qb/rb option on the boundary invited more threat of big hits. But I don't see big hits on the qb in the backfield after he's handed the ball off and the rb is 5 yards downfield in the middle of your defense.
it's like a two on one fastbreak. you don't even need the qb keep off the mesh to put the defenders in chaos. In one play you have a dive, play action, and qb going around the end threat.
I'm waiting for the qb to keep off the mesh and throw quick seam passes on the sprint out.
there's only 5 qbs who run any semblance of the read option in the nfl. It's new. These qbs will more than likely get hurt in a collapsing pocket or on a wild free for all scramble than off the read option/mesh.
The old school option with a qb/rb option on the boundary invited more threat of big hits. But I don't see big hits on the qb in the backfield after he's handed the ball off and the rb is 5 yards downfield in the middle of your defense.
it's like a two on one fastbreak. you don't even need the qb keep off the mesh to put the defenders in chaos. In one play you have a dive, play action, and qb going around the end threat.
I'm waiting for the qb to keep off the mesh and throw quick seam passes on the sprint out.
there's only 5 qbs who run any semblance of the read option in the nfl. It's new. These qbs will more than likely get hurt in a collapsing pocket or on a wild free for all scramble than off the read option/mesh.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:46 am to tigerbait3488
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I am hoping this is a fad like the run and gun and no huddle.
elements of both of those are still used
Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:48 am to Broski
DC's are gonna start putting spies on these QB's and leveling them whenever they cross the line of scrimmage. That'll be the end of the read option.
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