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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
Posted on 1/27/13 at 7:16 am to Methuselah
Posted on 1/27/13 at 7:16 am to Methuselah
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Methuselah
Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
So, if the privates leave, will they accept Curtis into their new association?
I think this is a point if contention for some catholic league schools
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 8:57 am to Jim Rockford
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Most of the schools that voted for it don't have a private school within 50 miles. They'll be fine.
Yes they won't have to worry about losing kids to privates, but those are also the schools that will never have a chance to win a state championship against the other publics anyway. Thats not fair either is it.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:50 am to chalmetteowl
Would West Monroe be select or non-select?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:58 am to TheBob
So select teams are still allowed to play in district with non-select teams...strong select teams will still win district championship then go into playoffs against other select district champions...how does that benefit public schools?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:01 am to jrevonte
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how does that benefit public schools?
Because no one really cares about district championships, it's all about money and playoffs. If you keep the private school in your district, when you play them you still get your share of the money which is always bigger than when you play other public schools. Then once you have taken their money, you get to tell the private schools to go play each other and let almost every public school (well, actually everybody in 1A) in the playoffs and have the private schools play in a totally ridiculous bracket.
The public schools want their cake and eat it too. But the key is money, and the private schools have more than the publics, and when the private schools leave with it who will the public schools cry to? The LHSAA does not have a monopoly on governing LA schools. Another organization can come up.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:02 am to jrevonte
Because public schools get to win fake state championships now and get rings and stuff
Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:13 am to GhostofJackson
Really makes me wonder how much the voucher system played a part in all of this. Also how big of a factor is the LAE behind the scenes on this as well? To get buy in across the state like this there has to be more than "privates take our best kids away from us" and "ECA and JC in 2A is ridiculous" driving it.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:12 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Because public schools get to win fake state championships now and get rings and stuff
let them eat cake...
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:14 am to supatigah
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Really makes me wonder how much the voucher system played a part in all of this.
FTR, I don't think many schools took the vouchers, and I know for sure Curtis didn't.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:28 am to Interception
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ND recruit- Yes
Louie must be a terrible recruiter given their track record at producing college players.
If you are saying ND "recruits" because players don't all come from Crowley, you don't understand the market for private schools. Few if any private schools can afford to be confined to accepting students only from the public school district (which has nothing to do with the private school) it happens to exist in.
Private schools serve certain markets. St. Louis is the only Catholic school between the Texas state line and Crowley and there's not another Catholic school north of St. Louis until St. Mary's in Natchitoches. Are you suggesting the only students that should be allowed to go to St. Louis are ones who live in the Washington-Marion school district (that's the district SLCHS is on)?
If so, you are buying into the most stupid of the arguments that led to this nonsense, imbecilic, why-Louisiana-is-dead-last-at-so-much, bullshyte ruling.
From a proud Louisiana public school graduate.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:31 am to League Champs
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Tanslation: Win for public school football. Who wants to play for a school that cannot win a THE state championship? The recruiting edge wont be as bad
If you ain't beating Rummel, you ain't the state champion. If you ain't beating Curtis, you ain't the state champion. If you ain't beating Evangel, you ain't the state champion.
If you are going to put an asterisk on any state title, it'll be the ones from what should be called, from this point forward the "non-competitive division."
That's what it should be called:
!. Select Division
2. Non-competitive division
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:37 am to League Champs
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Big win for public. I have family that are coaches and principals, not one was opposed. A local Catholic school took players from three high schools and then made the playoffs three years in a row. When the kids stopped coming (because the coach moved on), they rarely have been back.
I know the fathers of the three studs that carried them to the playoffs. Not one of them would have enrolled had they known: No state playoffs
Public schools win big. They've been begging for this for a decade
This to me should not enrage the public school coaches, it should embarrass them.
Obviously, the private school in your area had a better coach and that attracted the kids. If that coach had been at a public school, I guarantee you kids would have been willing to jump through whatever hoop necessary to go to that school and play for that coach. Happens all over the state, from Barbe baseball to West Monroe football to Scotlandville basketball to Dutchtown football.
Coaching matters.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:43 am to CyrustheVirus
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Yes they won't have to worry about losing kids to privates, but those are also the schools that will never have a chance to win a state championship against the other publics anyway. Thats not fair either is it.
2011's 2A runner up was one of those schools that "will never have a chance." The BR/NO myopia is strong in this thread. In your mind, nothing happens outside the city limits of those two cities. A school in North Louisiana doesn't give any more of a shite about the public-private dynamics in SE LA, than SE LA gives about them. Nor should they.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:45 am to ProjectP2294
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Joe Domengieux, Jack Casanova, Josh Reed, I got nothing beyond that.
Don't forget Iota kids...Chris Fontenot, the Miller kid that won Mr. Football.
They won some state titles, people complained that some kids were from out of district.
Real reason was they had Rick Wriborg as head coach and he was, at the time, the best coach in Acadia Parish (I think Louie was at USL at the time).
Notre Dame used to always have Zaunbrechers who were good high school players, but I don't think any of them played college football. Even before Louie, they were always good, but always a program school.
Absolute sour grapes if anybody in Acadia Parish complains about recruiting from Notre Dame.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:00 pm to League Champs
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If the players know they arent going to be playing for "state" championships, some wont go there. You can assume open season all you want, but other states have proven that it cuts off the recruitment pipeline.
Other states don't have the percentage of kids attending private schools that we have here.
In Texas, winning TAPPS, or whatever the private school league is called now, doesn't hold much prestige because the vast majority of kids attend public school and an even greater number of athletes attend public school.
Here? Not so much. Probably 30-40 percent of students in greater New Orleans and EBR go to private schools. Considering those two metros are almost half the state's population, that's a big chunk right there.
And as far as competition, it weighs heavily toward the privates, in my opinion. One side is going to have Curtis, Evangel, the Catholic League, Catholic High, Karr.
I see those games being of more interest than the left-behind public school games.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:04 pm to Jim Rockford
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2011's 2A runner up was one of those schools that "will never have a chance."
You are absolutely right about that. They were moving into 3a where they were going to be with Curtis and evangel and now Parkview so they had even less of a chance to win a title. Did they complain and try to change the rules..? No, they were ready to compete at a higher level. Now with this decision, they are going against schools with 1500 more students than them. For the people preaching fairness, this doesn't seem very fair. I guess only the public school kids deserve a fair shot.
ETA: read your post as 2012 state runner up. regardless, my point still stands.
As for Winnfield, they lost to a public school team in the playoffs they beat in the regular season by 50 this year. They have a shot to win the non competitive division but i suspect they will blow it again. Great athletes and poor coaching doesn't amount to much. I have seen it firsthand.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:04 pm to CourseyCorridor
except that the Times Picayune is gonna give equal coverage to each... i don't know if i agree with that. they waste manpower covering games with 80 people there and only send one reporter and write one story about the games with 8,000
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Would West Monroe be select or non-select?
Non-select, until they realize the prestige is on the select side. Then they'll manipulate it where about 200 students from mostly white subdivisions are zoned to, say, Richwood. But they'll leave a bullshyte rule that would allow them to claim a hardship that permits them to attend West Monroe instead. So they'll be out-of-zone kids, pushing their percentages to the select side.
After a couple of years when the three select champions are generally recognized as having the three best teams and the champions of the "non-competitive" division are looked at with skepticism, then the better athletic programs on the non-select side will try to manipulate it to where they can go with the competition.
Barbe may want to end its state championship drought with cheapened ring, but I doubt West Monroe wants to. Neither would Neville.
St. Aug. ought to be loaded in a couple of years too.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:15 pm to chalmetteowl
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except that the Times Picayune is gonna give equal coverage to each... i don't know if i agree with that. they waste manpower covering games with 80 people there and only send one reporter and write one story about the games with 8,000
Coverage won't matter. If Rummel, Curtis and Karr blow out the best public programs in greater New Orleans, then the best public school programs advance deep into the public playoffs, how will that paint perceptions?
Look, the perception in Shreveport is that Evangel is the football school. The perception in Baton Rouge is that you better go to Catholic or UHigh for football. In New Orleans it's Curtis, the Catholic League or Karr.
Those are the state's three largest metro areas representing 2.5 million of the state's 4.5 million people.
So in more than half the state, it's already recognized that the better competition, locally and statewide, will be among the select schools. It's the non-select schools that are behind the 8-ball and having to play catch up to show that competing on their side is going to produce competition at an even footing with the select schools.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:18 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Here? Not so much. Probably 30-40 percent of students in greater New Orleans and EBR go to private schools. Considering those two metros are almost half the state's population, that's a big chunk right there.
Using your numbers, about 20% of students in the state go to privates in the NOLA-BR area. The Public/Private ratio is much lower elsewhere in the state, especially north of Alexandria, but for the sake of argument, let's throw in another 10%.
So, at most, 30% in the state are private students. The majority got tired of being dictated to by the minority and did something about it. Perhaps it was ill-considered and there was a better way to go about it, but the blame falls squarely on the obstinacy of the privates, on LHSAA leadership, and especially its last two executive directors, Henderson and his predecessor Henry.
We can speculate why they were so beholden to the privates--especially the two or three privates that were the problem in all this--all those years, but the fact is, they were. Henry and Henderson had a chance to do their duty and come up with a reasonable solution satisfactory to most of the membership. They refused to do so, and people who were tired of waiting took drastic action.
Like I said in the other post, most schools in the state could not possibly give less of a shite how this plays out in BR and NO. Nor should they. They're representing their own interests, just like the schools in the metro areas are.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 12:31 pm
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