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MississippiLSUfan
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re: Free IUD's or mandatory IUD's for welfare women


I'm good with mandatory and don't mind paying for it. Sure as hell beats paying for more bastards.





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SoulGlo
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You drink, you cant drive
you own a gun, you cant bring it to school or on a plane
you can be naked in your own home, you cant be naked in public
you can get government assistance, you cant add to that burden while you are receiving it

iuds are not permanent and all you have to do is have doctor remove it......we are not talking forced sterilzation.



This is absolutely true. I think the idea has merit. Nobody will be forcing these women to do anything. They can get a job like all the rest of us and not have to use one.






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tigerjjs
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Why not offer every welfare female 13years old and up $1000 to have one put in and then $200 a year every time they go in for their yearly checkup, until they are 21 or so? heck of a lot cheaper than supporting a welfare baby for 21 or more years, and I bet a significant # would sign up for it, if just for drug money.





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ChineseBandit58
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I prefer mandatory vasectomies for baby daddies who don't support their cirrins.

IUDs for any woman on welfare is a good idea too.

OR - no additional funds beyond one child in a single parent household. Any other children have to be let out for adoption. Mandatory sterilization if another unsupported child appears.







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ChineseBandit58
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free birth control, in a cost effect way

isn't that what "they" wanted?


Nah - they want zero birth control on welfare queens.

They only want birth control as an issue to hammer conservatives with. DEMs don't give a shite about 'choice' - all they want is one more fringe group that will do outrageous stuff to get attention that takes away the public focus on real issues.

Upper class white women who just may think about their finances are their target - if they can pry enough of them away from logical thought in order to get them 'outraged' abouot some imagined slight they feel they are winning.

Nothing the DEMs do is about ANYTHING but enhancing their vote total. Nothing else matters to them. If blacks voted conservative, the DEMs would be wanting poll taxes and qualification exams and wouldn't give a shite about their welfare.






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Puffoluffagus
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if we have them to girls at 14...it would get them past college



In my experience, IUDs were mostly reserved for women who have had a the # of babies they want to have and are looking for long-term birth control.


1.) it can be pretty hard to put an IUD in a nullgravid woman since there's never been a baby pass through there before to dilate cervix for you. Dilating the cervix just to put an IUD in has it's own set of complications.

2.) I doubt there's every been a study(but I've never searched for one) on the effects(growth effects, effects on future fertility after removal, traumatizing affects) of IUDs in such a young population as you are proposing.

3.) The paragard(copper-based) is pretty cheap, but when I was on rotation we mostly used the Mirena IUD which is a much more expensive IUD(in the thousands w/o insurance, compared the 175 or 475 for the paragard). So, you might run into the issue of cost-effectiveness if women want the IUD removed earlier than the maximum benefit of the device.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that you just don't shove IUD in a 14-yr girl's uterus so nonchalantly. It's not the complete wonder-device as you are making it out to be.






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Iona Fan Man
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Myth: You can only get the IUD if you have had kids/been pregnant/married.

Fact: The IUD is a great option for people of all ages who want to prevent pregnancy.You do not have to have had kids, been pregnant or be married to get the IUD.


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Myth: It’s hard to get pregnant after you have an IUD removed.

Fact: If you no longer want to use the IUD, it can be taken out at any time by a health care provider. Once the IUD is removed, you can get pregnant right away. If you don’t want to get pregnant, you should start a new birth control method the same day the IUD is removed and continue to use condoms.


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Myth: IUDs increase the risk of pelvic inflammatory disease and sexually transmitted infections (STIs).

Fact: IUDs do not increase the risk of pelvic inflammatory disease or STIs. In fact, research suggests that IUDs protect against certain types of cancer, including cervical cancer, which is caused by a STI called the human papillomavirus, or HPV. It is important to note that IUDs do not protect against HPV or other STIs so you should always use a condom to practice safe sex.



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The paragard(copper-based) is pretty cheap, but when I was on rotation we mostly used the Mirena IUD which is a much more expensive IUD(in the thousands w/o insurance, compared the 175 or 475 for the paragard). So, you might run into the issue of cost-effectiveness if women want the IUD removed earlier than the maximum benefit of the device.


true, but what happens to price when you mass produce something?

But here's the kicker:

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41 percent of women in China have IUDs is because China’s population control authorities insist that women either wear IUDs or be sterilized after they give birth


so we do know what MASSIVE IUD use will look like..."a non-issue"...and can be made EXTREMELY cheap.

Is BIG Pharm the reason that every girl is taking her candy everyday and not just getting a an IUD installed?






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lsusaintsfan4life
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Your post does not address that there are issues associated with the IUD. It is intended for responsible people in monogamous relationships. There are infectious issues despite what your post implies. Search Actinomycosis and IUD use.





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SoulGlo
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OR - no additional funds beyond one child in a single parent household


Another good idea... with a caveat... Each child will be subsidized, but there's a time limit. This will help the people that legitimately need it for a while, but cut off the leeches. Permanent welfare status has a limit of one child. The payments for the additional children expire after X number of months.






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SoulGlo
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3.) The paragard(copper-based) is pretty cheap, but when I was on rotation we mostly used the Mirena IUD which is a much more expensive IUD(in the thousands w/o insurance, compared the 175 or 475 for the paragard). So, you might run into the issue of cost-effectiveness if women want the IUD removed earlier than the maximum benefit of the device.


We paid cash for the Mirena at about $400 or so. It has also helped with the wife's periods, which is a selling point for the potential recipients.

Of course, telling someone they can't get pregnant from sex may create a disease issue. These people tend to be too stupid to understand that sex can be dangerous anyway though. They already have sex, even though they can get STD's AND pregnant.






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Puffoluffagus
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Myth: You can only get the IUD if you have had kids/been pregnant/married.

Fact: The IUD is a great option for people of all ages who want to prevent pregnancy.You do not have to have had kids, been pregnant or be married to get the IUD.


Never said that a nullgravid teenager couldn't get one. Just said it's harder to place one in there. It can be done but introduces new complications in the possibility that you have to manually dilate the cervix which can lead to cervical stenosis or other issues.

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Myth: It’s hard to get pregnant after you have an IUD removed.

Fact: If you no longer want to use the IUD, it can be taken out at any time by a health care provider. Once the IUD is removed, you can get pregnant right away. If you don’t want to get pregnant, you should start a new birth control method the same day the IUD is removed and continue to use condoms.


Again, never said that you couldn't get pregnant after. Just said that I don't know if there's a ever been a study of the long-term issues of the mass-placing of IUDs in the young population that you describe.

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so we do know what MASSIVE IUD use will look like..."a non-issue"...and can be made EXTREMELY cheap


Sure. I'm not saying that mass IUD placement wouldn't work in regards to preventing unwanted pregnancies and reducing welfare burden. Just saying that we most likely don't know the long term effects of using IUDs indiscriminately in a young population. Something which, frankly, I would not rely on the Chinese to report accurately.






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Puffoluffagus
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We paid cash for the Mirena at about $400 or so.


Good to know. I was just going by what I was told the cost of them were. I know that Mirena has subsidized the use of them pretty heavily as they are trying to get practitioners to use them more to get a better foothold in the market in the US. IUDs are much more widely accepted in the European markets (and elsewhere) but just are not used as much in the US.






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vodkacop
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And with all the partner's these lil ho's have, the treatment for infections will go through the roof. They sleep with cousins, Uncles, stepdads, brothers, anyone walking the street. Lil ho's I tell you, lil ho's!!


The pill wont stop the spread of std's either. The arguement is iud's vs the pill. IUD's sound good to me unless a woman has a medical reason for being on the pill and i dont just mean not getting pregnant as her reason. I seen someone say iud's were painful when first inserted but isnt skipping a pill and possibly becoming pregnant even more painful? every woman i have ever dated has skipped a pill more than once in her life. But i think if they can take the pill then they can also do iud's. As for the people saying they shouldnt be forced to be sterile, they are the ones choosing that option when they start the pill so no one is forcing anyone. Thats a dishonest argument as they can have the iud removed whenever they want.






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Iona Fan Man
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1) Mirena IUD are a very reliable and simple method of contraception. They are really recommendable. You will be protected while not having to daily remember of using contraception.

2) There is no minimum age of using IUD.

3) @Buttapek: That's wrong. The string hangs out of the cervix into the vagina, but not out of the vagina. The string has proven in many studies to be only a very minor risk of uterus infections. This is nothing at all to worry about!

4) The only issue "to worry about" is that after one year of usage approximately 50% of all women observe drastically lighter periods or no periods at all. This can be a huge relief to all who suffered from pain, cramps or blood loss and it makes monthly hygiene much easier. On the other hand you will have to blindly trust the contraception method because due to the missing periods you might have no monthly "not pregnant" sign. Some women are disturbed by this. If you decide for Mirena, then you have to accept or enjoy missing or drastically alleviated periods.

I can recommend Mirena.
5 years ago


no periods=at least 10% more sex (3 out of 30 days)

who is against this again?






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