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oauron
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 5:13 pm to tom)
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Well, seeing as how you completely write off hardware improvements, I somehow doubt it. According to your logic, we haven't maxed out 8-bit graphics and could still be making improvements. Silly us.
That's not the argument at all. You eventually hit a wall, but because of the long development cycles for large games (>2 years), you hit that wall much later in the life of the platform. This is why PS4/720 are going to be releasing in a year or so, because we've finally begun to hit that wall where no more improvement can be made.
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tigergamedev 
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 5:16 pm to tom)
Your problem is that you believe hardware and results have a 1-to-1 correlation. And my argument isn't and has never been that we haven't maxed out consoles and we could still make improvements.
Its that inferior hardware (from a strictly apples to apples comparison) running in a specific and well-known configuration (like a PS3) can equal and sometimes, outperform, superior hardware running in a generalized configuration (like your PC). Some reasons that this is possible have been outlined above, although that is by no means an exhaustive discussion.
And yes, at the current time, hardware has advanced enough that modern gaming PCs can easily outperform their circa 2005 console brethren. But this is not always (and has not always) been the case. And I'm sorry this doesn't easily fit in to the benchmark tools you are so fond of.
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tigergamedev
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 5:20 pm to tigergamedev)
And your example of Mario is very ironic. Since it is a classic example of a console outperforming the PCs at the time.
I believe it was John Carmack who was the first person to create a similar side-scrolling game on a PC many years later.
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tom
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 5:40 pm to tigergamedev)
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Its that inferior hardware (from a strictly apples to apples comparison) running in a specific and well-known configuration (like a PS3) can equal and sometimes, outperform, superior hardware running in a generalized configuration (like your PC).
That is only the case for very slightly superior hardware. Your argument that consoles are not outdated relies on a 3 year old console competing with an up-to-date pc. That's a joke, and you should be embarrassed for even suggesting it.
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And I'm sorry this doesn't easily fit in to the benchmark tools you are so fond of.
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tigergamedev
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 5:52 pm to tom)
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That is only the case for very slightly superior hardware. Your argument that consoles are not outdated relies on a 3 year old console competing with an up-to-date pc. That's a joke, and you should be embarrassed for even suggesting it.
Consoles are about 7 1/2 years old now. The 360 and PS3 are outdated. However, this is a relatively recent phenomenon (~2 years). I'm arguing that the next generation of consoles won't be at launch and will compete with top of the line gaming PCs for several years after launch.
Look, you clearly have no serious graphics background and its quite a broad and complex topic. I guess its no surprise that you can't break away from your preconceived notions on graphical performance.
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Tom288 
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 6:09 pm to tigergamedev)
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I'm arguing that the next generation of consoles won't be at launch and will compete with top of the line gaming PCs for several years after launch.
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BaddestAndvari 
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 6:22 pm to tigergamedev)
yikes, never realized how much saying "I hope console gaming burns in a fire" would create such a big argument.. 
So Gabe, what kind of awesome games are we looking to come to steam this year? 
ETA: I'm not ignorant, I know what console gaming has brought to the gaming industry, doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't mind it to die, at least as we know it.
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Tom288
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 6:29 pm to BaddestAndvari)
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I'm not ignorant, I know what console gaming has brought to the gaming industry, doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't mind it to die, at least as we know it.
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sbr2
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 6:43 pm to BaddestAndvari)
Well being obtuse about a major section of the gaming industry usually prompts people to correct you 
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BaddestAndvari
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:28 pm to sbr2)
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Well being obtuse about a major section of the gaming industry usually prompts people to correct you
it honestly just brought out the crazies on the PC side.. oh well.
FWIW: I own a 360 and a Wii, and next gen I will more than likely own one if not both of the consoles.. I'm also a VITA owner, I don't mind consoles, but if they go this DRM route, I will have major problems with them.
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bluebarracuda
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:31 pm to BaddestAndvari)
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I'm also a VITA owner
Had to throw that one in there
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tom
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:32 pm to tigergamedev)
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Consoles are about 7 1/2 years old now. The 360 and PS3 are outdated. However, this is a relatively recent phenomenon (~2 years).
You clearly know nothing about PC gaming.
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I'm arguing that the next generation of consoles won't be at launch and will compete with top of the line gaming PCs for several years after launch.
And apparently nothing about consoles either.
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Look, you clearly have no serious graphics background and its quite a broad and complex topic. I guess its no surprise that you can't break away from your preconceived notions on graphical performance.
I can only hope your idiotic opinions don't reflect the creative culture of wherever you supposedly work.
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oauron
Baton Rouge, LA
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:33 pm to BaddestAndvari)
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but if they go this DRM route, I will have major problems with them.
DRM on PC is far more invasive and ridiculous than anything console manufacturers have ever tried. It's quite ironic for PC gamers to complain about it.
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stout 
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:40 pm to tigergamedev)
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I work at a big company that you probably all love, but I won't name names...
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tigergamedev
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Hmmm....
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Mear 
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:45 pm to stout)
Starbucks.
That was easy.
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polarbehr
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 8:48 pm to Mear)
lolz
i cant believe this shitty germans thread is still running
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BaddestAndvari
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/5/13 at 9:06 pm to oauron)
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DRM on PC is far more invasive and ridiculous than anything console manufacturers have ever tried. It's quite ironic for PC gamers to complain about it.
I'm far from a PC gamer.. I also pirate any game on PC with the drm crap.
ETA: then again I'm not opposed to modding my consoles either. My wii is softmoded and my 360 is hardmoded.. if these consoles go the drm route, I am 100% sure I will go the ripped games route.
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oauron
Baton Rouge, LA
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| re: Sony to block second hand games on PS4 (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:08 am to BaddestAndvari)
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I also pirate any game on PC with the drm crap
Of course! and millions do. Another problem with the platform (the PSP as well) is that it is so incredibly easy to pirate games for it. You can do so on consoles and handhelds, but it generally requires a lot of work and know-how in order to bypass all the security.
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