- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: This is what a program in decline looks and feels like...
Posted on 1/1/13 at 5:54 pm to FlyingTiger06
Posted on 1/1/13 at 5:54 pm to FlyingTiger06
quote:
In the 4th quarter Mett missed on two throws to wide open receivers. They were open due to excellent play design and call, but the execution wasn't there.
which goes to my point that we are incapable of developing QB talent..
1
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:05 pm to athletemed
quote:
we are incapable of developing QB talent
What development is needed for a QB to throw a pass to wide open receivers from a well developed pocket? QB development can help pocket presence (this Mett needs), help read defenses, help some with mechanics to speed up a release, and recognize where to place a ball to throw a receiver open. None of that was needed on those two plays. I think he overthrows the long balls because he would rather it be incomplete than possibly be picked. I also think that he overthrew Landry because he got complacent and just tried to lob it out there instead of focusing on the throw and making it properly. Two mistakes that he made personally.
I think Mett definitely needs development in reading defenses and in pocket presence, but neither of those issues were factors on the two plays I mentioned.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:08 pm to DIGGY
If only it weren't so UGLY!
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:13 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:When are people going to learn, this is and was a trait of Lester back at OSU. He does not know how to close the deal. Miles has made games close because of his ignorance. Look at the gump game this season. Saban showed MoRon just before the half what he was going to do. The drive to score just before the half, and then to end the game. Wake up! This season that just ended is a good as it will get.
Last night sucked, but 40-3 isn't the same as losing on the last play 25-24.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:16 pm to FlyingTiger06
quote:
Yeah, right after our Offense had dominated the 3rd Quarter. Then Clemson started sustaining long drives where our Defense couldn't stop them.
The OFFENSE dominated the 3rd quarter? Are you kidding? We had Hill's 57 yard run on the first play of the quarter and then it went punt, punt, fumble recovery for a field goal, punt.
Meanwhile, in the 3rd quarter the defense gave up less than 20 yards and caused a fumble that in Clemson territory that the offense settled for a field goal on.
Clemson then went on a 6 minute drive in the 4th quarter and the defense held them to a field goal. After which the offense went three and out and put them right back on the field.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:17 pm to FlyingTiger06
quote:
What development is needed for a QB to throw a pass to wide open receivers from a well developed pocket? QB development can help pocket presence (this Mett needs), help read defenses, help some with mechanics to speed up a release, and recognize where to place a ball to throw a receiver open. None of that was needed on those two plays. I think he overthrows the long balls because he would rather it be incomplete than possibly be picked. I also think that he overthrew Landry because he got complacent and just tried to lob it out there instead of focusing on the throw and making it properly. Two mistakes that he made personally.
I think Mett definitely needs development in reading defenses and in pocket presence, but neither of those issues were factors on the two plays I mentioned.
keep pumping that sunshine!!!
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:22 pm to nf
quote:
the 3rd quarter the defense gave up less than 20 yards and caused a fumble
That was my point. The defense was getting itself off the field in the 3rd Quarter. I don't believe our problem was fatigue. It was giving Clemson's receivers huge cushions even though they had never proved they could beat us deep. They walked the ball down the field on their drives. Again, even if you are fatigued you have to be able to step up and make a play on 4th and 16! If we were that gassed, we need to take another look at our conditioning program.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:28 pm to nf
quote:
The program is stagnant. It's stagnant at a good level, but it's not a championship program. For some that's fine, because they've got some weird battered wife syndrome where they think that being terrible in the 90's means we should excuse terrible coaching now because we win 9 or 10 games a year. Just because I ate top ramen in college doesn't mean I don't care if my steak is overcooked now.
So, consistent excellence isn't good enough. The only thing that will satisfy you is perfection. By that standard, then Oklahome should fire Stoops, Oregon should fire Kelly, etc. In fact, fire everyone but Saban.
The definition of an elite program, in my book, is that you consistently win the vast majority of your games and a "bad" year might be something like 8-4. If things break right (talent and experience, schedule, injuries, breaks in close games, etc.) you're in a position to win it all. That doesn't mean you're going to be able to do that every year, or even every other year. We've been in a position to win it all three times in the last 12 years, and I can easily name two or three other seasons when we were one win away from playing for it all. Name another program, except Bama over the past four years, that can say that.
There are natural ups and downs in the history of any "elite" program. Not every year is going to be special. That doesn't mean we should be "satisfied" when we don't have a special year, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't be frustrated when things don't go as well as we want, and it doesn't mean that the coaches are above reproach or immune from criticism. But we should at least keep things in perspective and realize that, in the larger scheme of things, we've got it pretty damn good these days.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:30 pm to FlyingTiger06
quote:
That was my point. The defense was getting itself off the field in the 3rd Quarter. I don't believe our problem was fatigue. It was giving Clemson's receivers huge cushions even though they had never proved they could beat us deep. They walked the ball down the field on their drives. Again, even if you are fatigued you have to be able to step up and make a play on 4th and 16! If we were that gassed, we need to take another look at our conditioning program.
The defense played soft coverage because we were up by two scores and they wanted to force Clemson to use a lot of clock. They did their job. Clemson took a ton of time off the clock on that drive and came out with only 3 points. The problem came up when the offense gave Clemson the ball back almost immediately because they couldn't do anything. The defense was tired but they still went out and forced Clemson to put together a long drive, stopped the 2-point conversion, and gave the offense the ball again with a 2 point lead, needing only to get a first down or two to put the game away. Instead the offense went 3-and-out, did not force Clemson to use ANY time outs, and put the gassed defense down 2 starters back on the field to win the game.
If you hang your defense out to dry enough time eventually they're going to get beat.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:31 pm to athletemed
I'm not pumping anything. Just think you guys are going a bit overboard with the criticism.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:36 pm to TigerCard
quote:
So, consistent excellence isn't good enough. The only thing that will satisfy you is perfection. By that standard, then Oklahome should fire Stoops, Oregon should fire Kelly, etc. In fact, fire everyone but Saban.
Consistency is a good word, because that's exactly what I want. I want to see a CONSISTENTLY competent offense. I want to see a team that CONSISTENTLY plays to their talent level, instead of to the level of their opponent. I want to see a team that is CONSISTENTLY well coached and doesn't commit stupid penalties and mental errors.
If all I cared about was the record I'd just look at the ESPN page at the end of the year and decide if I was happy or sad. The record is just a by-product of the games, and right now a lot of the games look like shite. I'd rather get 8 wins playing well than 11 playing poorly. At least then I'd enjoy watching the games.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:38 pm to nf
quote:
The defense played soft coverage because we were up by two scores and they wanted to force Clemson to use a lot of clock
Ah yes, the wonderful prevent defense.
quote:
The defense was tired but they still went out and forced Clemson to put together a long drive,
Why couldn't we stop them on 3rd downs and get the ball back?
Look, we might as well agree to disagree on this one. I concede that the offense is far from perfect and definitely needs improvement. But, I also don't think it is right to put the blame squarely on them for allowing Clemson to overcome an 11 point lead in the fourth quarter. The defense needs to bear some of that blame as well.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:48 pm to FlyingTiger06
quote:
Ah yes, the wonderful prevent defense.
Playing prevent is fine in some situations. Against Clemson it was okay, mostly, because you expect your offense to be able to do SOMETHING. You have to remember that Mingo and Montgomery were both out for a lot of the 4th so we were getting no pressure and Boyd had tons of time to pass. It was either play prevent or risk giving up a quick score that would have been even worse. Against Bama the prevent was a terrible call.
quote:
Why couldn't we stop them on 3rd downs and get the ball back?
Look, we might as well agree to disagree on this one. I concede that the offense is far from perfect and definitely needs improvement. But, I also don't think it is right to put the blame squarely on them for allowing Clemson to overcome an 11 point lead in the fourth quarter. The defense needs to bear some of that blame as well.
The secondary needs a lot of help. There's no argument there. But the defense as a whole STILL held a very good offense to 13 points in the first 3 quarters. If the offense has any ability to close out the game (and this was a problem all year) then it's not a loss. Nor is the Bama game.
Both things need to be fixed, but the offense is a much more pressing issue. You can win games with a bad secondary, but you can't win games if your offense can't get first downs.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:51 pm to Fight4LSU
quote:
If this is the way some of you handle a loss, I hate to see how you handle a real life crisis.
We scored 180 points against SEC opponents this year. We scored 12 points against Auburn, 6 points against Florida, 17 against Bama, and 20 against Arkansas.
We NEED A CHANGE. Face it, our defense has bailed out Miles for years. The defense and special teams have kept us in these games by scoring points and getting turnovers, while our offense keeps going 3 & OUT.
We went 3 & OUT at least 8 or 9 times last night.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:53 pm to nf
quote:
Consistency is a good word, because that's exactly what I want. I want to see a CONSISTENTLY competent offense. I want to see a team that CONSISTENTLY plays to their talent level, instead of to the level of their opponent. I want to see a team that is CONSISTENTLY well coached and doesn't commit stupid penalties and mental errors.
I wouldn't disagree at all. I would like to see those things too, as would every fan of every program. But I guarantee you that all of those fans feel that some aspect of their program is lacking in that consistent excellence. And I doubt you could find any fan of any program who would say that their team plays up to their potential in every game. (And, yes, that includes Bama.)
The point is, in different years, there are going to be different problems and challenges that the coaches will have to deal with, given the talent level, injuries, etc. I certainly think that Miles has to make some changes with the way we run the offense, but you have to remember that except for Bama, we averaged close to 40 per game last year, and that this year's problems on offense were, in large part, due to an inexperieced (if talented) QB and a patchwork O-line with two freshmen starters. The problems with the O-line obviously hindered Mett's development, and there is nothing Miles could have done about it. In fact, I think the coaches should be complimented for getting the O-line to perform as well as it did the second half of the season (except for last night). But the growing pains our freshmen starters--on both sides of the ball--went through this year will pay dividends down the road.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 6:58 pm to athletemed
You tards said the same in 08. Oh the sky is falling les will never win the sec again much less a bcs title. You were wrong. And this program isnt on a decline.
Anyone who thinks LSU is the most talented team is sorely mistaken. Seriously teams like usc and fsu have outrecruited LSU for years yet neither is as good as LSU rt now.
Clemson def has more talented wrs and more talented qb. That is evident. Our young guys on d arent there yet and fir the first time in a while we dont currently have a 1st round pick in the defensive backfeild. All the top teams have talent.
Anyone who thinks LSU is the most talented team is sorely mistaken. Seriously teams like usc and fsu have outrecruited LSU for years yet neither is as good as LSU rt now.
Clemson def has more talented wrs and more talented qb. That is evident. Our young guys on d arent there yet and fir the first time in a while we dont currently have a 1st round pick in the defensive backfeild. All the top teams have talent.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:00 pm to athletemed
its scarey watching les miles twin destroy texas and knowing that could very easily be us unless we get a legit oc
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:11 pm to TigerCard
quote:
I wouldn't disagree at all. I would like to see those things too, as would every fan of every program. But I guarantee you that all of those fans feel that some aspect of their program is lacking in that consistent excellence. And I doubt you could find any fan of any program who would say that their team plays up to their potential in every game. (And, yes, that includes Bama.)
The point is, in different years, there are going to be different problems and challenges that the coaches will have to deal with, given the talent level, injuries, etc. I certainly think that Miles has to make some changes with the way we run the offense, but you have to remember that except for Bama, we averaged close to 40 per game last year, and that this year's problems on offense were, in large part, due to an inexperieced (if talented) QB and a patchwork O-line with two freshmen starters. The problems with the O-line obviously hindered Mett's development, and there is nothing Miles could have done about it. In fact, I think the coaches should be complimented for getting the O-line to perform as well as it did the second half of the season (except for last night). But the growing pains our freshmen starters--on both sides of the ball--went through this year will pay dividends down the road.
No other top SEC teams struggled with Auburn or Arkansas the way we did. Sure, teams have letdown games every now and then, even the best, but LSU continually plays down to their opponent. Nearly every damn time. I'm tired of it. I should be able to turn off a game against Towson at half-time and be comfortable that we are going to win it. And I NEVER feel that way watching LSU play.
Excellent teams don't struggle week after week with inferior competition. They just don't, and I can't think of a single team at LSU's level that is as inconsistent as they are.
And a lot of our scoring last year was driven by defense and special teams. We had the second best turnover margin in the league, one behind Okie State. It was at +21, which is flukey and unsustainable. Normally we're in the single digits. We had short fields all year long, which is why we were average in total yardage but great in points scored.
The offense last year was slightly above average. And that's the BEST possible scenario for LSU. We had a dominant line, our QB play was mostly mistake free, our defense was incredible, and the SEC was largely down that year with no one other than us and Bama really looking very good. It was the perfect chance and it still wasn't enough to win it all.
Every team has injuries. Every team. Even when we were relatively healthy we stunk against Auburn and Towson and even struggled with Idaho for a while. Those are all excuses for absolutely abysmal production.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:13 pm to athletemed
quote:
keep pumping that sunshine!!!
I usually just use the term ball washers for these Miles lovers, but I am now favoring this much more
There are some serious sunshine pumpers on here. Did we all watch the same 5 years? Yes please point out the "undefeated" season last year and how you think 10 wins is enough this season. Let's forget we should be playing Not Dam next week.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:15 pm to athletemed
quote:
The complete lack or creativity on offense, the lack of focus and execution by the players, the inability for players to be "coached up", the amount of off field issues
This has already been exposed just few teams are good enough to do anything with it
Page 5 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News