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Need some advice on a career change

Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:02 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:02 pm
This is obviously long, but I appreciate both the time any of you put into reading it and any advice you may have.

A little background...

I am 24 and I work for a large regional bank as a financial advisor making about 85-90K/year. I started immediately after graduation and I've been here roughly 2.5 years. I have my Life & Health license, Series 6, Series 7, and Series 66 licenses. I am considered a junior advisor and I work under a senior advisor who grosses approximately 275k-300k/year. I do not mind my job, but it does not excite me in any particular way either. I thought I would be comprehensively managing the assets of clients and what not, but bank clients tend to be extremely conservative and mostly illogical, so I find myself "selling" more than "advising". It does not strike me as something I want to do forever, but it certainly is not an issue in the short to midterm. The biggest long-term con that I have is the liability that it entails. Clients tend to have selective amnesia and unfortunately in this industry it seems you are guilty until proven innocent.

I have a business admin degree with a concentration in general business from a Southland Conference school here in Texas. I have no kids or spouse, but I do enjoy the area where I live and would not mind being here long-term.

Here are my options-

A) Within the next 1-2 years, I've been told by my sales manager that I would likely get my own territory as a senior advisor. We have a nice program and most senior advisors do 200K+. Our territories are firmly established and I would not consider it difficult to generate at least 175k/year. However, not knowing what territory I may get, I may not like where I have to move.

B) The current senior advisor for whom I work will likely be retiring in the next 5-7 years. This is a coveted territory, and if I stayed here as a junior broker during that time and firmly entrenched myself with our clients, I would be a shoe-in to fill the senior role when it becomes available. However, if I was a senior advisor elsewhere for 3-4 years and tried to come back here, I would lose that "continuity" edge and would be up against a few other qualified senior advisors. If I stayed, it is highly probable that I would be making 275k/year by 32, but I my income would be relatively stagnant for at least another 5 years.

Note about Options A and B: Although I do work for a prominent and profitable regional bank, there is always a buzz that we are a top acquisition target for some of the national banks. Outside of Wells Fargo, it is generally agreed that most of the other possibilities would be detrimental to our financial service program as we know it. The possibility of that happening weighs on my decision as well.

C) In 2009, before my senior year of college, I took the GMAT and scored a 740(40 verbal, 50 quant). I graduated with a 3.3 GPA. The GMAT score is valid for 5 years, so I could use that score for enrollment up to the Fall of 2014. Getting my MBA would be mostly useless if I chose to stick with my current career path, IMO. If I pursued an MBA, I would like to do so full-time. I have whittled down my list of schools to Duke (Fuqua), Virginia (Darden), Texas (McCombs), Vanderbilt (Owens), and SMU (Cox). If I went this route, I would like to focus on finance but I do not have a particular career choice once I graduated.

D) This is the most drastic of the options, but it is one that I am most interested in at the moment - going back to school to major in petroleum engineering. I'd be interested in going to Texas, Texas A&M, or LSU. I do not know much about the enrollment process for someone who already has a bachelor's degree, but I have always been strong in mathematics and I would welcome a challenging curriculum since neither high school nor my first degree has posed much resistance (despite lackluster GPAs ). If I went this route, I would likely get an EMBA after graduation.

Ok, so there you have it. Ideally, I want to be compensated well for a career that is challenging yet enjoyable, and I would like to minimize the liability/stress that I incur. I'm sure we all feel the same. My current path seems to have the compensation and is somewhat enjoyable, but is certainly not a challenge and there is plenty of liability involved, but what should I do? Are there any other options I should be considering?

TIA!
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41737 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

I am 24 and I work for a large regional bank as a financial advisor making about 85-90K/year


Stopped reading after that. You need to stick with what you have, jackass. I'm 27, have a college degree, and make nowhere near that.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8973 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:25 pm to
Okay..

First off.. Congrats, you are doing very well for your age.

So I say take the potential money out of decision. There are really no guarantees you'll be promoted or inherit a better paying job. Would you rather work in the Energy Industry or Banking/Finance?

If the answer is Energy then why not do it? You arent married and are without kids, theres no time like the present.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 12:26 pm
Posted by buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
3543 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:37 pm to
I dont think you can go wrong, I would sit tight and try for the job in region.

with that said, don't believe what other people allude to themselves making. its probably lower than they allude to.
Posted by Crbello4Hiceman
Lurking
Member since May 2011
502 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:20 pm to
You only live once. A career is a long term decision. Just decide if it is worth the risk to go back, take engineering classes, and try to break into a field that you might not be as good at.

Also, you make alot of money.
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1757 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:27 pm to
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C) In 2009, before my senior year of college, I took the GMAT and scored a 740(40 verbal, 50 quant). I graduated with a 3.3 GPA. The GMAT score is valid for 5 years, so I could use that score for enrollment up to the Fall of 2014. Getting my MBA would be mostly useless if I chose to stick with my current career path, IMO. If I pursued an MBA, I would like to do so full-time. I have whittled down my list of schools to Duke (Fuqua), Virginia (Darden), Texas (McCombs), Vanderbilt (Owens), and SMU (Cox). If I went this route, I would like to focus on finance but I do not have a particular career choice once I graduated.


Given that you are doing very well for yourself at 24, i would only go back and get an MBA if you had more of a plan and focus of what you want to do with it. The places you mentioned aren't cheap (although they'll pay for themselves) and that's a lot of money to spend to figure out what you want to do.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:31 pm to
At the very least you need to get your MBA....If you go back and get your PETE you can go work for an E&P or for an investment bank (though an MBA on top helps tremendously). You're only 24 - go get the PETE and get an MBA after you graduate, while working.
Posted by Dr Rosenrosen
Member since May 2006
3344 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:34 pm to
With a 740 GMAT, you need to position yourself over the next 2-3 years to get into a Top 20 MBA program. This will open so many doors in i-banking, consulting, energy, etc.
Posted by Bob Sacamano
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
5277 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:23 pm to
With a 740 GMAT, you need to aim higher with your school choices.
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1160 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:12 pm to
I think you're rushing it. 90k at 24 does not happen a lot. The chance to move up to 250k in 5 years (age 29). I wouldn't move.

Sounds like you don't like it because it's not "stimulating"? Dude go on vacation and get a girl. Lol.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13681 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:16 pm to
If you want more intellectually stimulating business/investing work and wouldn't mind living in a big city (NYC), get the MBA and get into investment banking.

If you want to stay in Texas, either stay on the same path, or do the Petroleum engineer thing.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:24 pm to
Do you want an analyst-type position?
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14524 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:56 pm to
law school
Posted by Hand
far side of the moon
Member since Dec 2007
2064 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:37 pm to
First, screw you . Second, how do you know that you would even enjoy engineering?

The grass isn't always greener. I left a Fortune 20 to work at a Fortune 500 because I thought it would make me happier. It didn't. I left the Fortune 500 to get an MBA because I thought it would make me happier. It didn't. I left the MBA program to work for a small firm because I thought it would make me happier. It hasn't.

I'm spoiled by my first real job at the Fortune 20. I hated the work, but I loved the lifestyle. Guess what? The work has sucked everywhere I've been, but now the lifestyle also sucks. That's been true even when I switched into a completely different role in a different segment of finance.

I get dumber by the day. None of it is fulfilling. None of it feels like I'm accomplishing anything. And that also seems to be the consensus among my friends about their jobs. It's like trying to roll a ball up a hill. It must be either a symptom of the profession or a symptom of the post grad years.

I thought about going back to school for architecture. It's what I wanted to be as a kid, before the influence of money. I had friends in a program at a local university so I spent a few days in the design lab. I quickly realized that I didn't want to be an architect.

The firm that I'm at now gives me a few things (1) I like the people (most of the people) (2) I have an extremely large amount of autonomy and discretion (which I've found that I value a lot as I'm pursued by other firms) (3) my compensation is getting closer to what I need it to be (I'm slightly older than you and make slightly less). I'm satisfied, but I wouldn't say that I'm happy.

Life is where dreams go to die. Figure out what will make you happy and go for it. I haven't figured it out so I'm staying put for now. Good luck with your decision.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Tenforty1728
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
64 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:49 pm to
Forfeiting 3 years of $85k a year is hard to stomach. You could consider doing some other activities on the side of your banking career if you are worried about having income outside of your salary. Making $85k with few expenses should easily lend itself to acquiring a few rental properties, maybe one every year or two which will provide you some nice supplemental income.

The personal responsibility in that job is very real and can be stressful. It would be hard to deal with losing someone's money, but if they're generally doing conservative investments, like bank investments, it shouldn't be something that weighs on you too hard. All jobs get mundane at some point, enjoy a hearty salary and have fun on the weekends
Posted by Bob Sacamano
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
5277 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 5:01 pm to
Slackster,

Generally life is not all about money. If you need more out of your life, then go for what you really want. With your plan to go PETE and get an MBA at a top program, you will quickly make up what you lost in your time from work.

The money sounds good to most but it sounds like you want more out of your life. You are young and have time to make up the money you lost while in school. Chase your dream, you only live once.
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4529 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 5:15 pm to
Get a hobby if you want to be stimulated. You're making very good money for Houston especially at 24. Sounds like staying with your company will bring you around 200k-300k a year by the time you are 30. Why would you leave!?

I make in the same range of money as you do and I'm 3 years older and live in a much more expensive city. Seriously. Stay.
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
3659 posts
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:48 pm to
PETE would be a big commitment to go back and get a degree. That being said, you are young and still have your full career ahead of you. The worst case would be getting out with your degree in PETE right when the cyclical industry hits another down cycle.

Finance and PETE are both lucrative careers for the top earners. My view is to find something you like doing and be the best you can be at it. Which would you enjoy more?

Personally I grew up with primary interests in finance but also did well in math and physics. I figured it would be easier to get an engineering degree then an MBA than to do it the other way around. So that's what I did. But actually I really like the petroleum engineering itself and have stuck with a technical career path. Being a good petroleum engineer, particularly for an independent E&P, requires a lot of focus on assessing and maximizing discounted cash flow. So I get plenty of a business outlet too.

Some friends of mine have moved into the M&A side and make a killing as experienced petroleum engineers that moreso are deal makers now. Personally I have found the engineering side lucrative with the side benefit of actually enjoying my job, although it can be quite challenging (fine by me).
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