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re: Heisman Finalists Just Announced Live on ESPN
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:43 pm to bluebarracuda
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:43 pm to bluebarracuda
ML was a freak. He was a game changer. One kick off return could put his team on the score board or on the 50.
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Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:21 pm to dukke v
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Marquise Lee
Why THIS guy is not there is beyond me. Yes playing for a 7-5 team doesn't help but still the guy is wicked good.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:26 pm to ZTiger87
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25% of his total offense and total TDs came in 2 games (Arky, La Tech).
do you know how retarded you sound when you say shite like this? he only played 12 games. 25% of his season is three games. jesus.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:46 pm to Marciano1
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I don't care if he is the practice QB next year....Manziel deserves it THIS season for what he did THIS year.
What he this year against the 3 best teams he played? Or the 8 worst? If he wins the Heisman, it will be because of stats against the weak teams.
His stats against top teams were nowhere near Cam Newton's.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:48 pm to Marciano1
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This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:19 pm to bayoujd
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What he this year against the 3 best teams he played? Or the 8 worst? If he wins the Heisman, it will be because of stats against the weak teams.
His stats against top teams were nowhere near Cam Newton's.
all heisman winners padded stats against shite teams
i can flip your argument and ask why cam struggled against shite teams just as easily
Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:20 pm to bayoujd
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What he this year against the 3 best teams he played
Those 3 best teams all HAVE TOP 5 DEFENSES.
Florida - His FIRST CAREER START, and put up pretty damn good numbers for that first start. 23-30 with 173 yards 76.7% 60 RuYds and a TD
LSU - His only sub 120.0 QB rating all year, we all know he didn't play well that game
Bama - 24-31 with 250ish yards and 2 TDs against the top defense in the nation, taking them down.
Look at Klein's opponents and their respective defenses. Only TWO teams have a top 40 defense (TCU at 17 and Texas Tech
at 39). This award should be between JFF and ML.This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:50 pm to TigerTatorTots
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All 3 are in the top 10 with 10+ win seasons. Why werent the other two Heisman finalists?
One of these is Kevin Minter correct?
Posted on 12/4/12 at 12:31 am to swagsurfin7
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One of these is Kevin Minter correct?
I'm pretty sure he's one, but I'm trying to find the other...
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:32 am to bluebarracuda
Klein is fricking terrible to watch. Throws like a female. No way in hell he is a top three player. 
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:32 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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I really don't think Manziel would be "screwed" if he doesn't win it, though. Look at his performances against the top teams he's played. Bama was great. However, he was very mediocre against LSU and Florida,
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:46 am to dukke v
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I will put it this way. A & M is barely a .500 team without Johnny footrball. ND would have still won 10 games without Tai'
If that is your criteria, just make the award best quarterback. Because it has been decades since the actual most valuable player in the country has not been a quarterback.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:50 am to TheSexecutioner
Comparing Kevin Minter to Manti Te'o is so intellectually dishonest. How many games did Notre Dame let slip away while the other team ran the ball 23 straight times on them?
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:46 am to Escobar600
Thats one of the points I was trying to make. He's just feeding off the shitacularness of the big 12 defenses
Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:46 am to TigerTatorTots
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Te'o
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5.5 for loss
Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:47 am to ZereauxSum
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Klein is overrated
No idea why he got an invite.
Probably because they feel the need to have at least three guys there for the drama.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:49 am to Sophandros
This is seriously the weakest group of finalists I know I have ever seen
Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:49 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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Jumbeauxlaya
fricking awesome avatar.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:53 am to ZTiger87
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JFF definitely deserves the heisman this year, but you don't really believe his season was better than Cam's in 2010 or Tebow's in 07? 25% of his total offense and total TDs came in 2 games (Arky, La Tech).
Yeah, but La Tech should have been in the Orange Bowl, so that has to count for something.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:31 am to dukke v
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Marquise Lee
Why THIS guy is not there is beyond me. Yes playing for a 7-5 team doesn't help but still the guy is wicked good
Wicked good? Absolutely. But if any "play-maker" should be getting a ceremonial invite (since everyone knows this should be JFF's award this year) it should be Tavon Austin.
Lee's receiving stats are a little bit better (1680 yds & 14 TDs vs 1259 yds & 12 TDs). It is important to note that Austin got his receiving numbers as the #2 receiver, playing from the slot - he had to split catches with Stedman Bailey, who is a Biletnikoff finalist (along with Lee) and has 1500 yards and 23 TDs receiving. Lee had the advantage of being the #1, go-to man all year.
Their KR stats are very comparable - 28 returns @ 28 yds/return vs 28 returns at 26 yds/return, both with 1 TD.
Austin also has nearly 600 yards rushing (at 9.8 yds/rush) and 3 rushing TDs, including 21 rushes for 344 yds & 2 TDs in his first actual start at RB since his HS days against Oklahoma. Lee has 12 rushes for 106 yds & no TDs on the year.
Austin also returned 15 punts @ 11 yards a return, with 1 long TD. Lee did not return punts.
Dude has been lights out all friggin year (was last year as well) - if anyone deserves the recognition of getting an invite to NY, it's him.
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