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The college football regular season needs to be de-valued.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 12/1/12 at 10:54 pm
Many people, myself included, have argued in the past that a playoff (mainly an 8-team playoff) would de-value the regular season. However, after watching the last few seasons, I think this actually needs to happen.
I love college football. The regular season is amazing, and I love the fact that those big games throughout the year matter more than a big game between, say, two great NFL teams who play in the regular season. But at some point, those games can't mean everything.
Schedules aren't balanced in a lot of conferences. In the NFL, you play everyone in your division home and home. That doesn't exist in college. Why should a better team not have a chance at the title at the end of the year just because they lost to an evenly-matched team on the road? Or, for example, why should LSU have to win four games next year against teams ranked in the pre-season top 10, while Alabama will only have to win two? And the way scheduling shifts and rotates, Alabama could be the one getting screwed in the years ahead. It could happen to any team in any conference.
Scheduling isn't balanced year to year.. Although teams win big games on the road a good bit in college football, it's still an advantage to be at home.
I am not fully convinced, but I'm starting to lean more and more towards an 8-team playoff. However, I believe the top seeds deserve a big advantage for earning their way to that spot during the regular season. That big advantage? Home-field. The higher seed gets home field in the first two rounds, then the final is played in a big venue.
So, could team B lose to team A on the road in the regular season, and then still have to travel to play them again in the playoffs? Of course. But at least it wouldn't mean the regular season game is the end-all-be-all for both teams' season.
This has just been starting to become my feeling. I've been a big supporter of the BCS, and 1 v. 2. However, I think it's time to play it out on the field AT THE END OF THE SEASON. The way you make sure the regular season doesn't lose all of its value? Top 4 ranked conference champions, 4 wild cards. That way a team like LSU still might not get in this year. Or a team like A&M. The regular season would still matter, just not at much.
Alabama
Stanford
Kansas State
Florida State
Notre Dame
Florida
Oregon
Georgia/LSU (depending on how far UGA falls)
Once all teams are DETERMINED, BCS order would determine seeding:
1 Notre Dame
8 Florida State
4 Oregon
5 Kansas State
3 Florida
6 Georgia/LSU
2 Alabama
7 Stanford
Those are four damn good match-ups. Would make for an amazing December/January. This year would be perfect for all the conference presidents, because all the SEC teams would be on one side of the bracket.
But that's just the way it would fall some years.
I love college football. The regular season is amazing, and I love the fact that those big games throughout the year matter more than a big game between, say, two great NFL teams who play in the regular season. But at some point, those games can't mean everything.
Schedules aren't balanced in a lot of conferences. In the NFL, you play everyone in your division home and home. That doesn't exist in college. Why should a better team not have a chance at the title at the end of the year just because they lost to an evenly-matched team on the road? Or, for example, why should LSU have to win four games next year against teams ranked in the pre-season top 10, while Alabama will only have to win two? And the way scheduling shifts and rotates, Alabama could be the one getting screwed in the years ahead. It could happen to any team in any conference.
Scheduling isn't balanced year to year.. Although teams win big games on the road a good bit in college football, it's still an advantage to be at home.
I am not fully convinced, but I'm starting to lean more and more towards an 8-team playoff. However, I believe the top seeds deserve a big advantage for earning their way to that spot during the regular season. That big advantage? Home-field. The higher seed gets home field in the first two rounds, then the final is played in a big venue.
So, could team B lose to team A on the road in the regular season, and then still have to travel to play them again in the playoffs? Of course. But at least it wouldn't mean the regular season game is the end-all-be-all for both teams' season.
This has just been starting to become my feeling. I've been a big supporter of the BCS, and 1 v. 2. However, I think it's time to play it out on the field AT THE END OF THE SEASON. The way you make sure the regular season doesn't lose all of its value? Top 4 ranked conference champions, 4 wild cards. That way a team like LSU still might not get in this year. Or a team like A&M. The regular season would still matter, just not at much.
Alabama
Stanford
Kansas State
Florida State
Notre Dame
Florida
Oregon
Georgia/LSU (depending on how far UGA falls)
Once all teams are DETERMINED, BCS order would determine seeding:
1 Notre Dame
8 Florida State
4 Oregon
5 Kansas State
3 Florida
6 Georgia/LSU
2 Alabama
7 Stanford
Those are four damn good match-ups. Would make for an amazing December/January. This year would be perfect for all the conference presidents, because all the SEC teams would be on one side of the bracket.
But that's just the way it would fall some years.
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:02 pm to BayouBengals03
Hell no. 13 weeks of do-or-die football >>>>> 3 weeks of do-or-die football. Four is the optimal number for a playoff. I can't ever think of a time when there has been more than four undefeated team from BCS conferences and with conference realignment, that possibility is becoming more unlikely each passing year. If you failed to win all your games, you have no right to bitch about not playing in the national championship game. The only school that was legitimately screwed over in the BCS era was 2004 Auburn. They won all their games and did everything they had to. They deserved a shot at playing for it all. Every other team that was left out lost a game in the regular season. I shed no tears for those teams.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:05 pm to Bench McElroy
Those top two teams would still have the advantage of being at home the first two games. They would have earned home-field over the course of that 13-game season.
It's not perfect, but it's a way to look at things.
It's not perfect, but it's a way to look at things.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:07 pm to BayouBengals03
I love that in this system, a season altering/ending upset can happen at any time. The whole season feels like a playoff.
I don't want some half worthless regular season where starters are benched after a playoff spot is sealed.
I don't want some half worthless regular season where starters are benched after a playoff spot is sealed.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:09 pm to ClydeFrog
That would never happen. Every team would play the entire season to try to earn one of the top two spots for home-field.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:10 pm to ClydeFrog
8 team playoff doesn't solve anything
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:16 pm to VerlanderBEAST
I tend to agree with the OP. I used to wave the regular season banner, but I think schedules can be so uneven, even within conferences. This is especially true thanks to expansion. It's getting to where seasons are dictated by whoever gets the best draw from the opposing division, or pods in the future.
But its ridiculous that if Ohio State wasn't under sanctions that the SEC wouldn't even be in the discussion for the NCG right now. I think with where we are right now that 8 teams is a good number.
But its ridiculous that if Ohio State wasn't under sanctions that the SEC wouldn't even be in the discussion for the NCG right now. I think with where we are right now that 8 teams is a good number.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:23 pm to Mohican
Exactly.
If we ever go to 4 super inferences, it'll be perfect. 4 auto-bids, 4 wild cards.
If we ever go to 4 super inferences, it'll be perfect. 4 auto-bids, 4 wild cards.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:33 pm to BayouBengals03
Bout to stop following college football. Lsu gets shafted repeatedly while other teams in our conference get all the breaks.
When is the last time lsu got a break on scheduling? Seems like every year, it's the hardest schedule ever.
When is the last time lsu got a break on scheduling? Seems like every year, it's the hardest schedule ever.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:36 pm to BayouBengals03
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And the way scheduling shifts and rotates, Alabama could be the one getting screwed in the years ahead
As if they would let that happen, but carry on
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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8 team playoff doesn't solve anything
yes it does, produce an example where 9 teams went undefeated and then see if that's even possible anymore.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:40 pm to BayouBengals03
Tl dr
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:46 pm to BayouBengals03
If anything I think an 4 (hopefully 8 soon) team playoff adds much more value to the season for a lot more teams. To me, in most cases at least, your whole season is de-valued as soon as you lose a game. With the playoff it allows teams to fight to go undefeated for home field advantage. However, if you lose, you still have a chance to get in but you'll probably be traveling.
To me the whole "college football season is the most valued in all of sports" is over played to me. 3-4 weeks in 75% of the teams can't even play for the title anymore. By the time you get to week 10, the season is really only still meaningful for a handful of teams. This season is a perfect example:
Look at Bama. They've hardly played anyone except for a few games to get up for and they're in the title game. But just because Florida lost a very close, hard fought battle or LSU lost to only the #2 and 4 teams in the country we should automatically be done for the year? No way
To me the whole "college football season is the most valued in all of sports" is over played to me. 3-4 weeks in 75% of the teams can't even play for the title anymore. By the time you get to week 10, the season is really only still meaningful for a handful of teams. This season is a perfect example:
Look at Bama. They've hardly played anyone except for a few games to get up for and they're in the title game. But just because Florida lost a very close, hard fought battle or LSU lost to only the #2 and 4 teams in the country we should automatically be done for the year? No way
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:47 pm to BayouBengals03
Unbalanced schedules are taken into account. It's why two-loss LSU got to play for the Crystal Football in 2007 and not undefeated Hawaii, and it's why TCU got left out of the big game in 2010 despite the fact the Vegas how them favored over both Oregon and Auburn in hypothetical matchups.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:53 pm to trackfan
the bcs has been a colossal failure and thats why the bowls suck so bad now. everyone is getting fed up with it and not even paying attention anymore.
8 team playoff and let the champ be decided on the field.
8 team playoff and let the champ be decided on the field.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:55 pm to trackfan
What needs to happen is all the mid-majors need to go into a relegation pool of some sort. The Big East is about to tank even worse than when Miami and VT left. The ACC is falling harder every year. Maybe it's time for a contraction in size. Since geography doesn't matter anymore, give the mid-majors an 8-team conference and let the top two hang around for another season. Let them compete with the major programs.
I'd rather see a 6-team playoff at the end of the year with #'s 1 & 2 getting a first round bye. Reducing the number of teams in the FBS would give the schools competing more of an opportunity to schedule tougher opponents. So then, when you have a few 2-loss teams in the mix, they're up there for good reason. Force them to play up to the competition. No more FCS opponents for homecoming. ESPN could push this agenda and it'd probably turn a good profit for them. They'd love to have more games like Alabama-Michigan, LSU-Oregon, etc...
I'd rather see a 6-team playoff at the end of the year with #'s 1 & 2 getting a first round bye. Reducing the number of teams in the FBS would give the schools competing more of an opportunity to schedule tougher opponents. So then, when you have a few 2-loss teams in the mix, they're up there for good reason. Force them to play up to the competition. No more FCS opponents for homecoming. ESPN could push this agenda and it'd probably turn a good profit for them. They'd love to have more games like Alabama-Michigan, LSU-Oregon, etc...
Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:56 pm to trackfan
Link me to where TCU was going to be favored over Auburn.
And I'm talking more in-conference how schedules are unbalanced, considering you have to win your conference (most of the time) to win the national championship.
And I'm talking more in-conference how schedules are unbalanced, considering you have to win your conference (most of the time) to win the national championship.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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As if they would let that happen, but carry on
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:19 am to BayouBengals03
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That big advantage? Home-field. The higher seed gets home field in the first two rounds, then the final is played in a big venue.
do you realize how much money the truly elite would make with this system?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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do you realize how much money the truly elite would make with this system?
yes, that's why it will happen, the top 60-70 teams will most likely break off. The great irony is the "have nots" that wanted a playoff will probably we cut all the way out.
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