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Napoleon
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Former Seattle police chief Norm Stamper, who supports Washington's Initiative 502, says some police and prosecutors have grown frustrated at the futility of marijuana prohibition and see regulation by states as a way to take the trade out of the hands of criminals and free up the justice system to focus on more serious matters.


That is the best point about it, this will take the criminal element out of it. No more seedy dealers, make it similar to buying pipe tobacco or Tea.

Even with a 50% tax, it can be sold cheaper than current street values.







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tigeralum06
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A stoned driver still has a faster reaction time than the majority of elderly drivers. If your reaction time is slow, you drive slower. This is why old people and stoners drive slow.





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el Gaucho
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Jesus Christ some of you are fricking dense. How is this in anyway a cop out?I'm not saying there can't be one. I'm simply saying that there SHOULD be a solid, objective, scientific way of determining if someone is presently high in a quick manner before it is legalized. I'm not saying DON'T develop the way, only that it should be enacted.

But if such a test were developed would it require suspect cooperation? I'm just thinking about police safety here, but I've heard of people getting hopped up on these drugs and acting violently and thinking they have super strength and such






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Prominentwon
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I think once the other states see the influx in tax dollars they will follow suit. It's about time for the end of prohibition.




Will never happen in Louisiana. EVER.

Just a couple of months ago, in Lake Charles, there were people outraged that a barcode scanner would read their childs hand for lunch and they were calling it the mark of the beast.

Seriously. The mark of the beast.

Now, there are literally thousands and thousands more of these ignorant close-minded morons throughout this state. There's no way this state would ever legalize something like this here with all these backward living ________. It's still 1961 in most parts of this state.






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UltimateHog
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The bills contain a new DUI initiative similar to what is currently in place for alcohol.





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noonan
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A stoned driver still has a faster reaction time than the majority of elderly drivers. If your reaction time is slow, you drive slower. This is why old people and stoners drive slow.


What does this have to do with anything?






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BRgetthenet
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but I've heard of people getting hopped up on these drugs and acting violently and thinking they have super strength and such


You've really never smoked pot, have you?






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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I completely agree with him, is there any way to prove that a person was currently under the influence while driving?


Filmed sobriety test. Behavior is currently the only way I know of to test for impairment.

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The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (DSM IV) the diagnostic standard used by mental health professionals use behavioral criteria to diagnose marijuana (cannabinoid) intoxication, and don’t even mention blood levels. Several states in the U.S. have implemented tests to determine if drivers are under the influence, and thus assumed to be impaired, while operative motor vehicles in the same manner as for alcohol. Though the use of blood levels are only supplementary to support what was observed.

As of 2010 there is no reliable method of quantitatively determining if a person is impaired due to marijuana consumption on blood or body fluid concentrations alone.


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Prominentwon
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but I've heard of people getting hopped up on these drugs and acting violently and thinking they have super strength and such


Yeah, it's Gaucho.

He's already trolling.






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BROffshoreTigerFan
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You've really never smoked pot, have you?


You've never seen gaucho post before have you?






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I become the Incredible Hulk!!!

No I probably become Cartman and eat cheesey poofs and powdered donut pancake surprise (south park reference)






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noonan
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As of 2010 there is no reliable method of quantitatively determining if a person is impaired due to marijuana consumption on blood or body fluid concentrations alone.


And this would be the only issue I have with legalization.






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Prominentwon
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Behavior is currently the only way I know of to test for impairment.


Which, unfortunately, determination would be in the hands of a police officer.

How many times would that excuse be abused?

"Oh, he was just acting like he was on marijuana."






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dagrippa
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Holy rollers will be fainting in the streets with terror that the devil weed is taking over Amerikuh





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Prominentwon
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And this would be the only issue I have with legalization.


Understood, but how hard is it to believe that a test can't be invented? If there's not already one in production?






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Napoleon
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A stoned driver still has a faster reaction time than the majority of elderly drivers. If your reaction time is slow, you drive slower. This is why old people and stoners drive slow.


This, I don't think it rally impairs you that much.

When I was a teenager and had to hide it, we would take "Boutte rides" which was to jump on the 310, light up, cross the bridge, u-turn and come home. This was a daily thing.

When you are driving high, you drive very passive. I know not all can drive high, but Its no where near the level of drunk driving or tired driving.

The ONLY reason there are so many wrecks attributed to MJ is because of the fact that it stays in your system for so long.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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Even with a 50% tax, it can be sold cheaper than current street values.


Not to mention incarceration savings.

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Total federal and state marijuana prisoners in 2004 = 44,816 Thus, those in prison for marijuana offenses represent about 12.6% of those incarcerated for drug law violations and 3.2% of total state and federal prisoners. It should be noted that these numbers exclude those among the 700,000+ inmates who may be in local jail because of a marijuana arrest.


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Further, what happens when an illegal activity is made legal? What happens to the criminals currently in jail?






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WikiTiger
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trying to regulate the sale will be their downfall as it opens the door for the feds to step in via the commerce clause.


This is anticipated. I don't think it will be as big of an issue as many are making it out to be, though, even if the feds win, because....

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de-criminalized use under state law, it would effectively legalize it


...when it is no longer illegal under state law, that means that state, county, and local police cannot go after people using or possessing it. Sure, it will still be illegal under federal law, but the feds DO NOT have the resources to maintain prohibition at the individual level in even 1 state, much less multiple states. So the feds will still only be able to go after the big time producers and providers, but will be essentially powerless to stop the small timers.

And the key to all this is that after a few years, maybe a decade, you start seeing a cultural shift. One of acceptance. You'll start seeing other states follow the lead of the Colorado's and Oregon's. You'll start seeing more and more pressure on the feds to leave even the big time producers alone. And eventually, you'll see marijuana legalized at the federal level.

But it all starts with the states, and that's why this November is so important.





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Tiger in NY
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So cops are going to just start administering blood/hair tests on the side of the road? And people bitch about cops now


There is a Saliva test developed that detects ingestion in the last 24 hours. I am guessing they'll get that test nailed down to a few hours. Also, the only times a test would really be needed is when someone crashed or something. Stoned driving isn't like drunk driving where you are typically swerving into the other lane and stuff.






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St Augustine
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Which, unfortunately, determination would be in the hands of a police officer.

How many times would that excuse be abused?

"Oh, he was just acting like he was on marijuana."



this was one of the reasons for my posts






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