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Why is the stock market moving up?
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:01 pm
Serious question: What am I missing?
Earnings forecasts are down, the economy is bumping along the bottom (no politics, please), Europe is still a mess, the fiscal cliff for the U.S. is just months away and even China, Brazil and India are forecasting slowdowns in their economies.
Would someone please educate me?
Thanks in advance.
Earnings forecasts are down, the economy is bumping along the bottom (no politics, please), Europe is still a mess, the fiscal cliff for the U.S. is just months away and even China, Brazil and India are forecasting slowdowns in their economies.
Would someone please educate me?
Thanks in advance.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:08 pm to LSURussian
I expect retail sales for holidays this year to be way up despite overall economic picture. Just a guess
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:09 pm to LSURussian
I've been wondering this myself for the past couple months.
Could this be short term investors seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in and out fast? Maybe a small bubble?
Could this be short term investors seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in and out fast? Maybe a small bubble?
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:10 pm to LSURussian
I've been questioning this for months. I know everything was gaining on expectations of QE3 but damn. We are around the highs prior to the crash which is absurd to me. I personally think we are in for a rude awakening in the future. Just speculation though no facts.
Edit: The powers that be have pretty much played the game perfect though. How long did the Fed continually say that another round of QE was a real option? 8-12 months? Every meeting they had for almost a year would mirror the meeting before it. They would say the economy is improving but quick enough. If this trend continues we are prepared to introduce another round of QE. That gave investors confidence. Throw in some questionable unemployment numbers and the retail investors that only read the headlines of the newspapers think that everything is back to normal...
I have a question though. Could issues overseas be a factor in this? Meaning many overseas markets are in limbo and investors are looking to reduce risk. Could our initial surge of 10-15% be an event people are labeling as a recovery and we have new foreign money investing in US equities to hide from the uncertainty overseas? If so when other markets begin to recover we could again have a massive correction. This is purely what if and just something to think about.
Edit: The powers that be have pretty much played the game perfect though. How long did the Fed continually say that another round of QE was a real option? 8-12 months? Every meeting they had for almost a year would mirror the meeting before it. They would say the economy is improving but quick enough. If this trend continues we are prepared to introduce another round of QE. That gave investors confidence. Throw in some questionable unemployment numbers and the retail investors that only read the headlines of the newspapers think that everything is back to normal...
I have a question though. Could issues overseas be a factor in this? Meaning many overseas markets are in limbo and investors are looking to reduce risk. Could our initial surge of 10-15% be an event people are labeling as a recovery and we have new foreign money investing in US equities to hide from the uncertainty overseas? If so when other markets begin to recover we could again have a massive correction. This is purely what if and just something to think about.
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:22 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
Youself, Flask, foshizzle and a couple of others should be answering this question.
I have been curious as to the answer as well.
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:24 pm to LSURussian
Here are my thoughts. Disclaimer: keep in mind I know investing about as well as a typical welder knows LSU football.
A lot of analysts are saying that fear, uncertainty, and the re-election of the current administration/congress are already factored into current prices.
Besides this, I think alot of companies have lower revenue but also have lower costs due to trimming back on expenses that typically come with a growth strategy.
With the fact that the Fed has pledged to keep rates 0% till 2015, alot of investors are betting that they can beat the borrowing rate.
Lastly, it is possible that a lot of investors feel that the fiscal cliff will eventually be solved, even at the 11th hr, and that the market won't get quite as spooked by delays and tug-of-war that will occur.
Edited for punctuation/spelling
A lot of analysts are saying that fear, uncertainty, and the re-election of the current administration/congress are already factored into current prices.
Besides this, I think alot of companies have lower revenue but also have lower costs due to trimming back on expenses that typically come with a growth strategy.
With the fact that the Fed has pledged to keep rates 0% till 2015, alot of investors are betting that they can beat the borrowing rate.
Lastly, it is possible that a lot of investors feel that the fiscal cliff will eventually be solved, even at the 11th hr, and that the market won't get quite as spooked by delays and tug-of-war that will occur.
Edited for punctuation/spelling
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:58 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 10/15/12 at 4:24 pm to LSURussian
It's a strange, strange time we live in, that is for sure.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 5:56 pm to LSURussian
Well, I could put all of my money in my savings account. That would get me an interest rate of .00000001%.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 6:06 pm to LSURussian
Election Outcome is the only thing I can think of.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
Looks like the PPT has now been re-tasked as the MUT (Market Upswing).
Posted on 10/16/12 at 10:27 am to LSURussian
QE3? Possible bottoming in EU stock markets? Spainish IBEX up ~40% from mid-July to mid September. Possible long term bottom in housing (I'm using housing index HGX for this guess) with HGX up close to 117% in the last year.
Lot's of good things out there added in with QE3 would be my guess.
Lot's of good things out there added in with QE3 would be my guess.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 12:06 pm to LSURussian
Earnings might not be as bad as expected
Posted on 10/16/12 at 12:58 pm to LSURussian
One more thing Russian. I would like to see the dollar VS the Dow over the last few years. I suppose this falls into the flight to quality argument, but as Zach said, poor returns on money market accounts, and the dollar getting smoked.....maybe the risk in the market is more tollerable than other investments right now? The right now part is what's sort of scary.
But I really dont know crap. I run my own money and do just ok.
But I really dont know crap. I run my own money and do just ok.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 4:03 pm to LSURussian
Many good ideas in this thread.
All of them could be correct and then again, none of them may be correct. I sure can't figure it out.
The only other time I've seen the market behave like this in my investing career the chairman of the Federal Reserve gave a speech and referred to the market as having "irrational exuberance."
To the poster who said perhaps the market is reacting to the upcoming presidential election, I've thought about that myself. It seems the market has elevated since the first presidential debate and the subsequent polls showing a revived Romney campaign. If that's it, we will know three weeks from today.
Thanks to everyone for your responses.
All of them could be correct and then again, none of them may be correct. I sure can't figure it out.
The only other time I've seen the market behave like this in my investing career the chairman of the Federal Reserve gave a speech and referred to the market as having "irrational exuberance."
To the poster who said perhaps the market is reacting to the upcoming presidential election, I've thought about that myself. It seems the market has elevated since the first presidential debate and the subsequent polls showing a revived Romney campaign. If that's it, we will know three weeks from today.
Thanks to everyone for your responses.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 9:05 am to LSURussian
I don't think it has been mentioned, but I believe a large part is related to anemic bond yields and people needing/wanting somewhere to park their money.
FTR, I rebalanced recently at about DOW 13,500 from heavily weighted in equities to primary bonds and cash equivalents.
I think the market is currently overvalued.
FTR, I rebalanced recently at about DOW 13,500 from heavily weighted in equities to primary bonds and cash equivalents.
I think the market is currently overvalued.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:31 am to LSURussian
quote:
Why is the stock market moving up?
Serious question: What am I missing?
If a guy like you doesn't know the answer to this...I am royally fricked.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:40 am to LSURussian
quote:
Serious question: What am I missing?
$$$
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:19 pm to LSURussian
I think we are on an obvious bubble. With the corp profit margins being pretty high in past months that explained the good earnings forcasts in the past but that is not true anymore maybe we are about to hit a plateau before the fall??
Sorta feels like the moment the coyote runs off the cliff.
Sorta feels like the moment the coyote runs off the cliff.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:52 pm to LSURussian
Your guess is as good as mine, but QE was part of the reason for the run up, as Flask said flight to quality but I feel that helped the market circa last spring. I honestly think too its some short covering/hedge mutual funds etc trying to catch up on sub par returns. Rest of the world is coasting, Europe seems to be making progress.
My question to flask is what sign have you seen of the retail investor coming back? Any fund flows out of bonds to equities? I haven't been quite a tune to the market or MB lately. School has been kickin my arse.
I've been short the dollar and had S&P puts since July in ,an allocation. Still waiting it out
My question to flask is what sign have you seen of the retail investor coming back? Any fund flows out of bonds to equities? I haven't been quite a tune to the market or MB lately. School has been kickin my arse.
I've been short the dollar and had S&P puts since July in ,an allocation. Still waiting it out
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