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re: .380 vs .22 Magnum Pistol for Self-defense


All of these suggestions sound great so be sure to get a list before you head to the gun store.

The gun will choose you. Have her hold each kind and see which one she likes best. I doubt they will have a Glock with a grip reduction available, so just be wary of that.






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Oh, I know it is illegal. Must be 21 to carry a handgun. Times aren't the way they used to be. Although the law was the same when I was growing up, I got a Ruger 22 revolver at age 11 , bought myself a Sig P220 at age 17 and a Kimber 45 at age 19. I never ran into any trouble with them, but I didn't really run afoul of the law much either.


Surprisingly, the open carry age in LA is 17. Now as far as concealed carry goes, it's 21 years old minimum in every state.






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Surprisingly, the open carry age in LA is 17



Correct






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CoastieGM
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Also, I'd like to point out that a 22 Magnum bullet fired out of a 4.3" barrel (like the PMR-30) has much less velocity than the same bullet fired out a rifle. In short, depending on the particular load, the velocity of a 22 Mag fired from a pistol barrel may be less than the velocity of a 22 LR fired from a rifle barrel. Here's a good thread w/ measured handgun barrel velocitis of numerous 22 Mag rounds.
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Yikes...see what you mean. That big fireball I've seen in videos from the Kel Tec sure does indicate a lot of wasted energy. Maybe 9mm is the way to go after all.



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BIG Texan
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I Idont know , sounds like either a very dangerous situation you should get her out of Or....it is only the worst that could happen?
If she is hell with the 380, IMHO stick with it. Seriously if she can shoot first round every time ,center mass hit and several of them, no problem don't change anything as she is better than most LE personel. get the best ammo for sure.
But I have seen first hand what a 22 LR Stinger does to a thug out of 2 inch barrel it it is not pretty so no worries there, believe me that round has explosive results. It will penatrate a leather coat no problem.
A 22 mag is really hard to control out of a short pistol and is almost unreliable in feed situations some times??
If this is bear related then all bets are off as I have no clue there except 454Casull and that is impractical for her.
Good luck keep the 380 Maybe a 22 and a 454?






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CoastieGM
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I Idont know , sounds like either a very dangerous situation you should get her out of Or....it is only the worst that could happen?
Actually, this is just being realistic in Alaska. Just be cautious, prepared, and act decisively, and things usually work out fine.
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Seriously if she can shoot first round every time ,center mass hit and several of them, no problem don't change anything as she is better than most LE personel.
I know...it's hard to not gloat sometimes. Especially so around the macho gun-nut G.I. Joe wannabes.
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But I have seen first hand what a 22 LR Stinger does to a thug out of 2 inch barrel it it is not pretty so no worries there.
A .22LR is what my oldest boy (16 yrs old) capped a home-invader with down in Houston...dropped the perp like a wet rag.
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A 22 mag is really hard to control out of a short pistol and is almost unreliable in feed situations some times??
This is where I'm ignorant...I just don't know squat about a .22 magnum. I was so stunned that my boy so easily dropped that hardened criminal with a Ruger 10/22, that I opened my eyes and mind a bit more, so to speak.
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If this is bear related then all bets are off
Bear isn't a real issue. We're near town, so we really only encounter black bears...they'll run from a slingshot. The more dangerous brown bears stay out in the bush except for a few weeks in very early spring. Moose are easily avoided.

Good point on sticking with what works for her. Will also look into a hi-cap .380....I'd like her to have more rounds at her disposal. Thanks man.






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faxis
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22 sucks

So does .380 but not NEARLY as bad as a .22 mag






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I buy the cheapest 22lr ammo I can find and have fired probably over 20,000 rounds through a ruger mark 1 and close to that much from a 22lr rifle and never had a misfire. 22 mag is a different story though but I always attributed that to the cheap gun. could be wrong though





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Good point on sticking with what works for her. Will also look into a hi-cap .380....I'd like her to have more rounds at her disposal. Thanks man.


I don't think there are many double stack .380s. The main point being, if they can make a larger framed gun, they can step up to 9mm. The big selling point of .380 is the compactness of the gun that shoots it. My dad pocket carries a Kahr P380. My Kahr CM9 is barely bigger than it, albeit too big for pocket carry, but it is still very small. And surprisingly it isn't very snappy.

Again, I refer you back to 9mm. I think your daughter would be more than happy with it.






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CoastieGM
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Got some great info from this thread. Thanks to all who posted.
To sum things up, me and the girl are going to have gun shop date day and try to put the following in her hands:

Here's what I'm going to do:
1. I think Bapple has convinced me to first let her try a regular 9mm. If she's ok with that, then that opens up a whole other realm of possibilities. At a minimum, though will try the Ruger SR9 and maybe a Glock

2. If 9mm doesn't work for her, then try handling the following .380 autos
-Baretta 84
-Hi-cap Bersa

Ruling out
-FN Five Seven (price and ammo)
-KelTec PMR-30 (velocity under 1,200 FPS with only a 40 grain bullet…same as a .22 LR rifle)

Thanks guys for all the input. It really helped.






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dawg23
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With all due respect, why waste money getting a Glock with a slimmer grip when you can buy a handgun that already has it? I also think the SR9 and M&P far surpass Glock in terms of grip slimmness, grip angle, sights, and features from the factory.


The SR99 and the M&P do not surpass the G19 in terms of reliability.






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The SR9 and the M&P do not surpass the G19 in terms of reliability.


I will never bury my SR9c for 10 years and expect to use it later. Those reliability tests are hore shite because I would never administer that type of crap to my guns.

My Ruger SR9c has yet to have a failure. When it does, I will bow down to the Glock gods. I also have yet to see an M&P fail. My opinion still holds. The Glock "reliability" moniker is a thing of the past. My Beretta has also been 100% for 8000-9000 rounds so I'll lump that in there as well. I will not trump Glock for not being reliable and being a bad gun though. It deserves respect, it's just not godly like all the hype.

And to the OP, when you and your daughter go to hold them, the match will be made. Good luck on your search.






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