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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:40 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:40 pm to Scruffy
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This implies that Varys wanted Ned to live. Everyone expected Ned to survive. Joffrey's actions weren't expected. I don't see how Varys had a hand in Ned's death.
I'm not saying Varys wanted Ned killed.
He just wanted to keep the frickups (Joffery, Cersei, Robert) in power instead of having them overthrown by a unifying Northern Leader (a Stark).
Having Ned confess and kneel to Joffery may have prevented the war, in Varys's eyes.
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:40 pm to Scruffy
liege-lord over the river lands
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Yeah, I realize he wanted the idiots running the show. The only flaw to that plan is tywin is there and he's no fool.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:43 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:Interesting point. I support the theory that Varys is actually a Targaryen supporter so that kinda goes against what I think is going to happen, but I see what you are saying.
He just wanted to keep the frickups (Joffery, Cersei, Robert) in power instead of having them overthrown by a unifying Northern Leader (a Stark).
quote:Another way to look at it is that if Ned kneels and is sent to the wall, he might have been able to rally the North.
Having Ned confess and kneel to Joffery may have prevented the war, in Varys's eyes.
The only problem with that is that Ned's honor would not permit him to do that and I don't think Varys would put too much faith in that idea.
quote:Thats it.
liege-lord over the river lands
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:45 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I'm not saying Varys wanted Ned killed
What is Varys endgame?
We know he is in league with Illyo. We know they were supporting the beggar king. I doubt they expected him to die, as Illiyo even told him to stay while any went to Vaes Dothrak.
Now we have the Blackfyre.
I just don't get what they are doing. Do they really want Targaryens in power? Do they have a larger scheme?
A lot is happening behind the scenes even in the books.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:47 pm to F machine
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I thought tywin masterminded the red wedding.
The Tyrion chapter around page 300 (SoS) where the council meeting takes place.
It's pretty clear Varys was in on the Red Wedding or at least knew about it, along with Tywin.
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:48 pm to Napoleon
quote:I've heard the theory that Varys is actually a Blackfyre.
Do they really want Targaryens in power? Do they have a larger scheme?
He is using his anonymity and position to alter the GoT in the favor of his family.
His endgame, IMO, is to place the Blackfyres on the throne.
quote:Varys knows about everything though. The fact that he knew about it doesn't mean that he was a part of it.
It's pretty clear Varys was in on the Red Wedding or at least knew about it, along with Tywin.
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:50 pm to Scruffy
then why help Viserys and Dany? or was that just Illyrio. maybe Illyrio is an either or Targ fan
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:52 pm to Napoleon
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What is Varys endgame?
He probably got bored in Pentos and looked to Illyio and said, "Hey, you want to steal Westeros? It could be fun."
to which Illyrio replied, "Sure, why not."
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Now we have the Blackfyre.
I don't think Varys gives a frick about the Blackfyre.
quote:
Do they really want Targaryens in power?
They want a good king that will do their bidding.
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:54 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:so he wasn't lying when he said he serves "the realm"
They want a good king that will do their bidding.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:56 pm to manwich
And the realm should serve him.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:57 pm to Scruffy
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I support the theory that Varys is actually a Targaryen supporter
shite is this even a theory anymore? I almost view it as fact.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:58 pm to manwich
quote:Viserys and Dany are true Targs. The other child that we meet in DwD, Young Griff (pseudo-Aegon), is not a true Targ. He is part of the offshoot family, the Blackfyres, but he doesn't know this. He believes that he is a true Targ.
then why help Viserys and Dany?
Most people believe that Aegon is dead. Having someone appear claiming to be him would cause speculation. Dany and her brother are known survivors. Their existence offers credence to the survival of the Targaryen line. If they were to support the boy, no one would question his existence.
Once that is handled, Dany and Viserys would then be expendable.
Just my theory.
The fact that Dany now has dragons though offers a whole new usable element to Varys' plan.
As for Illyrio, he is just in it for more money and power, as any rich and powerful individual is. I doubt he really cares much about the Iron Throne. It isn't as if supporting Dany and Viserys is really costing him anything.
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:59 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Parts in the book allude to Varys knowing about the red wedding ahead of time and possibly masterminding it.
He also urged Ned to kneel to King Joffery to prevent the Starks from overthrowing him.
he also likely convinced Joffrey to behead Ned Stark in lieu of sending him to the wall (to start all out war).
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:01 pm to Scruffy
quote:solid
If they were to support the boy, no one would question his existence.
Once that is handled, Dany and Viserys would then be expendable.
Just my theory.
you're two steps ahead of my thinking
however, it's a dangerous plan going after a chick with dragons
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:02 pm to pistolsfiring11
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Edit: And if she does betray Robb, does this mean the showrunners confirmed with Martin that Jeyne Westerling isn't going to play a significant role in the future?
If she does betray Robb, I feel it confirms the suspicions that in the book, Tywin was behind having Jayne Westerling and Robb hook-up. Wetehr Jayne was in on it is another story.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:03 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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he also likely convinced Joffrey to behead Ned Stark in lieu of sending him to the wall (to start all out war).
Am I missing something, because I really don't recall this even being hinted at?
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:04 pm to manwich
quote:Definitely.
however, it's a dangerous plan going after a chick with dragons
I doubt Varys expected her to revive the dragons though. The thing is, she is still vulnerable even with her dragons.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:05 pm to F machine
quote:It wasn't hinted at. Its just an idea people are having.
Am I missing something, because I really don't recall this even being hinted at?
I don't think its true though.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:05 pm to Scruffy
tell that to Ser Urine Mormont and Donatello Selmy
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