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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/11/13 at 10:58 am to SaintEB
Posted on 4/11/13 at 10:58 am to SaintEB
he legitimized Jon. decided to send it to Howland Reed by Maege Mormont and Galbert Glover. all of his bannermen signed it so they all know about it with or without the two letters
Jason Mallister
Edmure Tully
Greatjon
Catelyn
Galbert Glover
Lady Maege
all know and all are alive
Jason Mallister
Edmure Tully
Greatjon
Catelyn
Galbert Glover
Lady Maege
all know and all are alive
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:03 am to manwich
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Lady Maege was among the northern lords who accompanied Robb Stark north from Riverrun to attend the wedding of Edmure Tully. Her heir Dacey was one of those killed during the Red Wedding, however Maege herself survived because Robb had sent her and Galbart Glover to Seagard. There they where to take separate ships from Lord Jason Mallister to sail up the Neck, to search for Greywater Watch as envoys to the crannogmen. She also holds Robb's declaration that names his successor.
boom
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:06 am to Hugo Stiglitz
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:16 am to SaintEB
wow, I never really paid attention to it, but she is surely a spy. I wonder if any of the non readers have caught on. Can't talk about it there, they are too simple to discern book spoilers from show plot points.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:19 am to SaintEB
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Speaking of Robb's heir, what did he write and where did he send it? He and his mother had a conversation before they left for the wedding. She begged him not to name Jon Snow as his heir. What happened with that? I guess we'll find out.
He sent Maege Mormont with a letter naming Jon the heir. I have no idea where she is.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:21 am to manwich
Wouldn't Jon's declaration of a successor be moot once Bran and Rickon turn up, alive? He's only naming a successor because he thinks his brothers are dead. If they turn up alive, they would take precedence in succession. As would Sansa if she ever gets out alive.
Then again, I think by the end of the books, Bran will be a tree.
Then again, I think by the end of the books, Bran will be a tree.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:23 am to Baloo
It wouldn't be unheard of though if enough things happen to the Starks that the succession falls to Jon. See Aemon Targaryen's situation.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:25 am to Baloo
quote:Jon would have precedence since he is older. Catelyn warns Robb about this before he tells his bannermen of the decision
If they turn up alive, they would take precedence in succession. As would Sansa if she ever gets out alive.
quote:tree-ish
Then again, I think by the end of the books, Bran will be a tree.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:26 am to Baloo
quote:
Wouldn't Jon's declaration of a successor be moot once Bran and Rickon turn up, alive?
Not if Jon is legitimized.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:30 am to Baloo
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Wouldn't Jon's declaration of a successor be moot once Bran and Rickon turn up, alive? He's only naming a successor because he thinks his brothers are dead. If they turn up alive, they would take precedence in succession. As would Sansa if she ever gets out alive.
It is never stated in the books where a legitimized bastard falls in the line of succession. However judging from Catelyns reaction one could assume that he becomes just like the other sons which means he would rank above bran rickon Sansa and arya
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:35 am to SaintEB
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Not if Jon is legitimized.
Per the Ice and Fire Wiki:
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It is unclear whether a legitimized bastard would be placed in the succession according to birth order, or would be placed at the end, after the trueborn children.[5]
It is...not known?
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:36 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:It is known that it is not known.
It is...not known?
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:38 am to BluegrassBelle
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quote:
It is unclear whether a legitimized bastard would be placed in the succession according to birth order, or would be placed at the end, after the trueborn children.[5]
Why was Cersei/Joffrey so adamant about killing all of Robert's bastards? If the truth had come out, they would be next....no?
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:41 am to SaintEB
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Why was Cersei/Joffrey so adamant about killing all of Robert's bastards?
Because her kids with Jaime wouldn't be Baratheons, which is the whole reason Joffrey was on the throne to begin with.
Robert's Bastard >>>>>>> Non-legitimized Lannister
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:42 am to SaintEB
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Why was Cersei/Joffrey so adamant about killing all of Robert's bastards?
Ummm... because Joffrey is not Robert's child, so he is a bastard himself. If the bastards turn up, it weakens Joffrey's claim as a legitimate heir, as it calls into question his own parentage.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:42 am to SaintEB
Yes because Robert had no living true born children. This is not the case with the Starks. The question of where legitimized bastards stand in the line of succession is still completely open to Martins will.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:43 am to BluegrassBelle
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Because her kids with Jaime wouldn't be Baratheons, which is the whole reason Joffrey was on the throne to begin with.
Robert's Bastard >>>>>>> Non-legitimized Lannister
I gotcha. I didn't read the whole thing from wiki.
ETA: Stop beating on the ignorant!
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:47 am to Baloo
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Bran will be a tree.
And Rickon will eat people.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:47 am to BluegrassBelle
Wouldn't Jon need to be out of the Night's Watch to have a claim to anything?
Obviously, it appears he's in the middle of his night's watch retirement party but still.
Obviously, it appears he's in the middle of his night's watch retirement party but still.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:49 am to CottonWasKing
Catelyn said Jon's claim would beat out Arya's claim
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