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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/1/13 at 10:27 pm to WalkingTurtles
Posted on 4/1/13 at 10:27 pm to WalkingTurtles
Does anyone think that Mormont's Raven doesn't work for the Three Eyed Crow? He has supernatural aspects about him and just seems to be far to prominent in the events of the Night's Watch to not be. He's the perfect little lovable spy for the Three Eyed Crow and can subtly manipulate the Night's Watch through its Lord Commander by repeating or saying words of interest to him. All the Raven is doing is spying and planting little ideas in their head that will hopefully lead to their doom.
It is a little questionable though on why he would get Jon to lead the Watch over Slynt, since Slynt would have been completely incompetent and have killed Jon Snow. All Jon Snow can serve as is keeping the raven by his side (which Slynt wouldn't have), but also result in likely thousands of less Wildings as fodder for the Others' army. The 3EC needs Jon dead, so I'm not sure why he would have passed on a guarantee by basically manipulating the watch in choosing Jon.
It is a little questionable though on why he would get Jon to lead the Watch over Slynt, since Slynt would have been completely incompetent and have killed Jon Snow. All Jon Snow can serve as is keeping the raven by his side (which Slynt wouldn't have), but also result in likely thousands of less Wildings as fodder for the Others' army. The 3EC needs Jon dead, so I'm not sure why he would have passed on a guarantee by basically manipulating the watch in choosing Jon.
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 6:55 am to OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:14 am to OMLandshark
I haven't read this thread in a while and need to catch up on about 10 or so pages, but was it agreed upon that The 3EC is evil and out to help the Others?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:24 am to DestrehanTiger
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but was it agreed upon that The 3EC is evil and out to help the Others?
I don't think we know enough at this point. Bloodraven was creepy in life as well as in - whatever he is now. But I don't see where he was ever evil. Most of what we know about him comes from D&E and there he always acted for the realm/Targ dynasty. Aside from his hatred for Bittersteel perhaps. And that was based on their mutual love for the even creepier Shiera Seastar. In lesser works creepy=evil but GRRM loves to stand these tropes on their head.
And since its mentioned that Seastar reportedly kept her youthful looks for decades through Valyrian sorcery, is there any chance she could still be around?
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:24 am to DestrehanTiger
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I haven't read this thread in a while and need to catch up on about 10 or so pages, but was it agreed upon that The 3EC is evil and out to help the Others?
I'm sure Cotton will answer... but I think its just a theory of his that the 3EC is evil?
I'm currently of the thought that "winter"(Others; Jon et al) in the end will save the 7 kingdoms.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:32 am to shinerfan
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And since its mentioned that Seastar reportedly kept her youthful looks for decades by bathing in blood, is there any chance she could still be around?
Would be pretty cool for them to be the new Night King and Other's Queen.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:52 am to DestrehanTiger
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agreed upon that The 3EC is evil and out to help the Others?
I think that Aegon IV knew something about the PTWP/Others prophecies and that is why Bloodraven went to the Wall and then eventually went into the lands of Always Winter. I think that readers put a lot of emphasis on the brutal things that he had to do to insure his brother would get the Throne. The smallfolk all feared him because he was so powerful, the rest of the stuff about dark magic and evil ways could be just a misunderstanding of the people too unsophisitcated to know better. I mean seriously, they all think Tyrion burst forth from his mothers womb and devoured her simply because he was an elf, imagine being an albino bastard supporting an unpopular king. I am sure the smallfolk were all singing awesome songs about the guy and naming all their kids after him.
I am well aware of the Bloodraven aversion on this board by the more prominent posters but I think a lot of that has to do with preconceived notions of good vs. evil. GRRM does not adhere to those notions in any shape or form, and that is why I think we will all be suprised at Bloodraven's true intentions when all is said and done.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:47 pm to Papercutninja
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Bloodraven
I probably just skipped over his stuff by accident or it got lost in all the names. Where was his story explained?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:49 pm to Zephyrius
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I'm currently of the thought that "winter"(Others; Jon et al) in the end will save the 7 kingdoms.
It's pretty much confirmed that the Others wish to wipe out mankind from Westeros.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:51 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
The Dunk and Egg stories
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:55 pm to OMLandshark
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It's pretty much confirmed that the Others wish to wipe out mankind from Westeros.
So, you're saying "It is known"?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:56 pm to Methuselah
It is known.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:00 pm to OMLandshark
Perhaps the Others will be the one thing that finally unites all of Westeros? But I have a feeling there might be more to them than just being purely evil beings. Perhaps Winds of Winter will address this when Martin explores the Land of Always Winter
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:03 pm to Gugich22
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The Dunk and Egg stories
Well holy shite and call me shirley. There are more books....
eta: don't call me shirley
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:09 pm to ColaTiger
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Perhaps the Others will be the one thing that finally unites all of Westeros? But I have a feeling there might be more to them than just being purely evil beings. Perhaps Winds of Winter will address this when Martin explores the Land of Always Winter
I just think that the Others are a virus waiting to take over the Seven Kingdoms. I think the Children created them with their magic to drive the First Men away. Now, being sure to die due to the Andals and the First Men, I think they're re-summoning them to destroy Men in Westeros for good. They've just had to wait for an opportune time, and Robert's Rebellion provided the instability they needed to ensure their victory.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:22 pm to OMLandshark
But don't the COTF explain that their time is at an end? Aren't they all about living in harmony with nature? They just seem a little too crunchy to engineer a race of super beasts to wipe out the race of men.
I would like to know what the treaty was with the First Men to have some sort of basis to figure out what the COTF motives are. Also if they created the Others then why do they have to ward off their shelter from them?
I just think there are too many holes between COTF and the Others.
I would like to know what the treaty was with the First Men to have some sort of basis to figure out what the COTF motives are. Also if they created the Others then why do they have to ward off their shelter from them?
I just think there are too many holes between COTF and the Others.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:28 pm to Zephyrius
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I'm sure Cotton will answer... but I think its just a theory of his that the 3EC is evil?
Yea it's just a thought I've had since reading Dance for the first time. It's only tentatively backed up in the books at best but I can't shake the foreboding vibe he and the COTF give off. There's more there than Bran suspects
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:30 pm to Papercutninja
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But don't the COTF explain that their time is at an end? Aren't they all about living in harmony with nature? They just seem a little too crunchy to engineer a race of super beasts to wipe out the race of men.
Nature, not men.
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I would like to know what the treaty was with the First Men to have some sort of basis to figure out what the COTF motives are.
The Andals fricked up the treaty though. The Children may have come to the conclusion that they could be reasoned with and live in harmony with nature, and worship their gods. I don't think the First Men ever knew that the COTF were responsible for the Others.
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Also if they created the Others then why do they have to ward off their shelter from them?
I think its more to keep the wights out. Just because you control a zombie hoard doesn't mean you want to ever hang out with them.
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:35 pm to OMLandshark
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I think the Children created them with their magic to drive the First Men away
But it was said that the COTF gave the Night's Watch a hundred dragonglass daggers every year. Why would they do that?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 2:36 pm to ColaTiger
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But it was said that the COTF gave the Night's Watch a hundred dragonglass daggers every year. Why would they do that?
Perhaps they felt bad about it when they became allies. Now they're going extinct and may have gotten vengeful once more.
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