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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:12 am to 19
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:12 am to 19
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My theory is, TCotF, driven further and further North, either created The Others as the ultimate weapon against the Andal invaders, or even Became them in an attempt to either a) adapt their species to the harsh envrions in which they had been pushed before the genocide was complete;
I don't believe the COTF are the Others.
The COTF are small and childlike. The Others are taller than humans.
The Others return the dead to create wights. The COTF fought against them in the War for the Dawn.
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The children of the forest and their allies, the First Men, fought valiantly against them, but were driven southwards by their advance. The 'Others', as these demons were called, were eventually checked when it was discovered that weapons made of dragonglass (obsidian) could kill them. A great hero, who in the eastern tradition is known as Azor Ahai, led the war against the Others wielding his sword of fire, Lightbringer.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:13 am
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:46 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I don't believe the COTF are the Others.
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The COTF fought against them in the War for the Dawn
You seem to have misunderstood me. What I'm saying is that SOME of tCotF became Others, not ALL of them. An extreme faction, if you will- one who's beliefs/ motives did not jibe with the rest of tCotF. It's not like there was a consensus decision for all of them to become (or create) the Others...They were a peaceful race, nature oriented. In my mind, I see them defending themselves, but within rational limits...I don't see them consciously creating a weapon capable destroying all life out of spite...a few of them, sure.
Absolutely, the TRUE CotF would fight against Them...the Elves fought the Orcs, yes?
I'm attempting to apply a Tokien paradigm here, and it may or may not be what Martin is thinking.
re-reading my theory, what I really like the best is IF tCotF had anything to do with creating the Others...it was an accident. Clearly, they had powerful magic at their disposal, and just as they did to The Neck, it didn't always work the way they intended. They were losing the war with the Andals, and desperate to survive, turned to darker, destructive magic as a last resort...and it backfired. Another example of a civilization destroying itself with it's own technology, as the Doom of Valyria could have been (mining too deep...another Tolkienish idea)
As far as the height difference, magic can do all kinds of shite. If the Others were intended to be 'super soldiers' why would they be designed to be small?
driven South vs. North:
I'd like that link. I know that the only area not defeated by the Andals was the North, hence why there are still WW trees there. The history I read long ago stated the Neck was turned into a swamp (meant to be a sea) to stop the spread Northward.
That made sense to me.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:16 pm to 19
I don't think Martin would intentionally borrow something from Tolkien or the typically fantasy stuff, ie the farmboy turned savior stuff.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:41 pm to 19
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What I'm saying is that SOME of tCotF became Others, not ALL of them.
I actually like that idea. Like you said with the orcs and elves.
I'll do some more digging.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:02 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I just do not see any evidence supporting the "Others" being derived from the CotF in any way.
I think they are 2 seperate species which where more prolific in times past. Times when magic was more prolific. Now is the turn in the cycle when the red star heralds the return of dragons, magic and unfortunately for Wetseros, the Others.
Who will be AA reborn? will there be one or will the Others prevail?
I think they are 2 seperate species which where more prolific in times past. Times when magic was more prolific. Now is the turn in the cycle when the red star heralds the return of dragons, magic and unfortunately for Wetseros, the Others.
Who will be AA reborn? will there be one or will the Others prevail?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:04 pm to 19
I think the others and the children are two seperate species that were the original inhabitants of westeros. Long ago they waged war on one another with the children eventually winning. Then the first men came who fought the children and eventually they came to a treaty agreement on the isle of faces. The others returned at some point towards the end of the age of heroes. The children with the help of the first men drove them back and erected the wall to ensure they could never return.
Eventually the andals arrived with their steel and drove both the children and the first men from their homes. The first men settled and defended the north but the children weren't quite so fortunate.
Now after thousands of years spent brooding and festering the children and the others have brokered a tentative alliance in order to regain their home before its too late.
We are witnessing the final push from two desperate peoples who will do anything to earn the right to carry on living. Even if that means they have to make common cause with their mortal enemies.
Eventually the andals arrived with their steel and drove both the children and the first men from their homes. The first men settled and defended the north but the children weren't quite so fortunate.
Now after thousands of years spent brooding and festering the children and the others have brokered a tentative alliance in order to regain their home before its too late.
We are witnessing the final push from two desperate peoples who will do anything to earn the right to carry on living. Even if that means they have to make common cause with their mortal enemies.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:40 pm to CottonWasKing
I thoroughly agree they are two separate species. I only like the idea of rogue COTF. But that's not Martins style to copy Tolkien.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:45 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I think they are 2 seperate species which where more prolific in times past.
The Others are the Apache. The Children are the Algonquin.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 3:29 pm to 19
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interesting side note: In Bloodraven's history in a wiki of ice and fire, it reads that Bloodraven took himself into the Land of Always Winter
"to await the birth of Bran Stark
That is huge. Any reference to where this appears in the books or is it some nugget Martin threw out in an appearance? I've tried to find some clues about why and how Bloodraven left the wall and found nothing till this.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 3:56 pm to shinerfan
Hey piping in again with a theory on John Snow's Dad
It's Ned Stark's younger brother
as a member of the NW he can't have kid's and if it came out that he had a kid, then I guess he'd have to die or something.
That's how Ned could say "you are a Stark, you have my blood"....and not be his kid.
It's Ned Stark's younger brother
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Benjen Stark is the younger brother of Lord Eddard Stark and a sworn brother of the Night's Watch. He is the First Ranger, or leader of the rangers, of the Night's Watch.
as a member of the NW he can't have kid's and if it came out that he had a kid, then I guess he'd have to die or something.
That's how Ned could say "you are a Stark, you have my blood"....and not be his kid.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 3:58 pm to Iona Fan Man
ABANDON THREAD KASH!!!!!!
Posted on 4/3/13 at 3:59 pm to Iona Fan Man
I would think Benjen was too young to procreate and be a member of the Night's Watch when Jon was born.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:02 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I would think Benjen was too young
when did he enlist? before the mad king's demise?
ETA: he had to be in the Night's watch prior to the mad king's death, because Ned's Dad, brother, and sister were all killed by him....why not Ned and little brother?
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:10 pm to Iona Fan Man
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when did he enlist? before the mad king's demise?
Dammit, it's already almost canon that Raegar Targaryen (Dany's now dead older brother) is Jon's dad and Lyanna Stark (Ned's now dead sister) is Jon's mom. Because you keep coming in here with these stupid theories without having read the books, I hope you read this and your mind is blown.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:21 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Dammit, it's already almost canon that Raegar Targaryen (Dany's now dead older brother) is Jon's dad and Lyanna Stark (Ned's now dead sister) is Jon's mom. Because you keep coming in here with these stupid theories without having read the books, I hope you read this and your mind is blown.
the gold crown blonde? lol, right
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:23 pm to Iona Fan Man
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the gold crown blonde? lol, right
No. The brother that was killed by Robert Baratheon at the Trident during Robert's rebellion.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:24 pm to Iona Fan Man
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the gold crown blonde
What in frick are you talking about?
O. Viserys. No. I'm not saying Viserys is Jon's dad, you imbecile. Raegar is Viserys's older brother. You know what? frick it. You're so I'll informed that you don't even know when you've had the whole series spoiled.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:25 pm to LoveThatMoney
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What in frick are you talking about?
Viserys.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:27 pm to glassman
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ABANDON THREAD KASH!!!!!!
Don't worry, this thread is to strong to be destroyed by Kashonly...
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:31 pm to glassman
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No. The brother that was killed by Robert Baratheon at the Trident during Robert's rebellion.
whatever....the kid ain't hers...it hard to hide a pregnant duchess or whatever the frick northern ladies of status are called. Try something else.
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