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re: Herb Vincent (LSU AAD) clears up TM7s status w/ LSU...Discredits GG!

Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:15 am to
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30164 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:15 am to
There's no such thing as an Ace College Loans Express. Classes are underway, yes? Financial aid is not something you can come up with in an instant.

I didn't know if he had a sibling that wasn't enrolled in private school last year that they were looking to enroll this year. Maybe some of y'all know these things, but I don't.

FWIW - I graduated HS in '92 and I know that for state schools, things have gotten a lot cheaper (assuming you've met a few basic academic requirements). I went to a private university and I had athletic and academic scholarships but still worked to live the lifestyle I had become accustomed to. I took out loans when I needed to - but the application process took a few weeks, not a few hours.

And that concludes my participation in this thread.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 9:20 am
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:18 am to
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There's no such thing as an Ace College Loans Express. Classes are underway, yes? Financial aid is not something you can come up with in an instant.


Why are you so adamant on this?

IF TM wants to attend LSU this year (HUGE if)....I suspect he will be able. The family will be able to handle it. Hell, how many people cannot handle ONE semester quickly? That gives them time to arrange other aide for the next semester.


Posted by rosiebean
Member since Nov 2007
2088 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:19 am to
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They can obviously afford the tuition seeing as how they sent him through st aug at 7k a year

So anyone assuming he couldn't get the money is based on what? Their own personal situation?

The OP who originally started this line of questions has spelled this out clearly...just because TM's family spent 7k a year when he was in high school does not mean they still have that 7k sitting around unused. The fact that he was on scholarship at LSU means that his family *may* have allocated those dollars into other things.

I sent my kids to a pre-school that was private and very expensive. Now that my kids are in a good public school and those thousands of dollars a year are freed up, I've used that money to invest in other things...I've taken out loans to make upgrades on my house. I bought a new car. Because I've made new financial commitments now that I am not paying expensive pre-school tuition, I could not turn around and pay that tuition again, even though I did so in the past. Especially given such short notice.

This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 9:20 am
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:19 am to
LSU starts class on the 20th. another possibility is his uncle had a college fund for him and could pay from that.
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12194 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:20 am to
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I don't see why everyone is freaking about about lsu tuition
The only one freaking out is you. Why do you hate women?
Posted by rosiebean
Member since Nov 2007
2088 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:26 am to
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I don't see why everyone is freaking about about lsu tuition. It's really not a big deal with his family I'm sure.

I don't think people are freaking out. I think the OP asked a pertinent question and got jumped on as though what they were saying was absurd.

It's not.

Personally, I think if TM wants to come to LSU, he's going to be at LSU...his family will find a way to make it happen. But it might not be 'easy' for them as others have suggested.
Posted by treyk89
Member since Oct 2003
2264 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 9:35 am to
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But it might not be 'easy' for them as others have suggested.


Yes it will be easy, super easy!

Why can't people just grasp that tuition won't be an issue. Sure it takes some time for actual Student Loans or other financial aid to be completed. However, they could just go to a bank and get a loan. Trust me, there will be several willing lenders who would give TM or his family a loan. Despite the risk he doesn't turn his life around, the reward, if he does is worth the risk.....and i'm sure somebody has a credit card in the family....paying tuition will NOT be an issue.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43720 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:05 am to
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While I done necessarily agree it is time to move on for TM, I certainly have little or no confidence he will be able to do what it takes to ever rejoin the team of he does decide to LSU.

His immaturity and previous behavior gives no indication that anyone should be confident in his return to the team in 2013.

BUT, I honestly think TM's draft stock may actually rise more from staying at LSU and sitting out showing his eagerness to take the hard road than going the easy way and playing at McNeese.

If his stock took a hit because of all this, I can't see how playing for McNeese helps that.




Well I definitely agree that his stock would be higher if he played at a bigger program, but I dont know how much higher. He is gonna carry alot of weight into the draft, especially if he misses the whole year.

Im looking at it more from a personal perspective though. You dont rehabilitate a crackhead in a crackhouse. a change of scenery may be what he needs.

whatever choice he makes I hope it is the right one. Im not sure what kind of future he has in the nfl, but he is definitely a special athlete. It just sucks that he cant keep his nose clean given his talent and the opportunities that he has had.
Posted by jonanthans
West Monroe, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2410 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:20 am to

Consider this;

Tyrann has expressed the desire to stay at LSU for this season. Obviously he/his family has already considered the fact thay will have to pay tuition. So common sense should tell you guys that if he is approaching LSU with this scenario, the tuition issue has been addressed, be it from his parents, uncles or a bank loan.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:33 am to
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Um...that's what we're talking about. Bahnsen's quotes. From himself
So where did you see Bahnsen's quote? On his twitter feed? LSUSports.net? LSU.edu? Where did you see Bahnsen's quote from himself or an LSU source rather than a media source?

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In the TP story this morning by Kleinpeter, Vincent says Bahnsen was quoted out of context. That's a pretty typical response when you can't deny the quote but you want to distance yourself from it.
Um, okay. It's also the typical response when a dipshit takes a quote and butchers it or flat our misreports it to say something it never did. Happens all the time. All Vincent is saying there is that, in this particular case, this particular dispshit did not entirely fabricate the quote.

Then again, I guess you could just believe that everything on the internet or in a newspaper is 100% accurate and never, ever misrepresented or misconstrued.

Does the name Jayson Blair ring a bell?

Posted by SemperFi n LSU
Flat Town
Member since Jan 2011
169 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:38 am to
I'd let him use my G.I. Bill...
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79262 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:43 am to
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So where did you see Bahnsen's quote? On his twitter feed? LSUSports.net? LSU.edu? Where did you see Bahnsen's quote from himself or an LSU source rather than a media source?
what the hell are you talking about? they interviewed the dude and got his quote.

oh lemme guess, you think it's the reporter that fricked it up, not the LSU guy.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:46 am to
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Did your parents spend over $25k on your high school tuition plus the additional thousand here or there for extra curricular
Fees (football equip)?
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No, there no overwhelming evidence that his family has the money just laying around but there is no evidence to the contrary. All signs, historical precedence and their family history shows it shouldn't be a problem.
My family spent considerably more than $25k on my high school tuition and we, like many families with means, would have had (and did have) issues with coming up with full tuition, room, board, etc., if/when a full scholarship was suddenly lost. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but there are lots of ways for a family with means to not be particularly liquid at any given moment (especially in the midst of a serious recession) and thus have trouble coming up with funds for a very substantial and unexpected expense. Do you seriously not get how much money is involved here and the time frames necessary to come up with it? Because if you think there's even a possibility that it could become a problem for them then guess what? YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE OTHER GUYS!!!

NO ONE is saying they can't cover it. Some people are simply raising the very reasonable question of whether this particular family of means is actually in a position of financial liquidity at this particular moment to be able to cover this particular substantial and unexpected expense. What kind of moron would even conceive of the notion that this is an unreasonable concern? Have you not been paying attention to the economy, college tuition or anything else for the last 20 years?

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based mostly because TM is black or a simple lack of knowledge on how many options there to pay college tuition for one year.
Really? You have to throw racism in there with absolutely zero justification when the option for a less than complete understanding of the literally millions of pages of legislation, publications, regulations, forms and policies regarding all forms of financial aid from all sources is out there?

But no, why not suggest that it's just as likely that everyone on the planet is a perfectly informed financial aid adviser who just happens to be a racist as it is that some of them might not know that every family that isn't on welfare can come up with a full year's tuition at the drop of a hat with no issue whatsoever?

Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
8153 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:49 am to
So is TM7 done>
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:53 am to
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They can obviously afford the tuition seeing as how they sent him through st aug at 7k a year
That was 2 years ago. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of people have seen their financial liquidity situation change in the last two years. Not everyone on this board is Tyrann's family's personal financial adviser like you guys are, so not all of us are privy to their confidential financial information (which, by the way, you are skirting seriously close to a breach of duty by disclosing here; I hope you got solid waivers from them for releasing this info). All most people (like us) know is that most students -- even ones from families with means who paid significant high school tuition for four years -- could potentially have some issues coming up with tuition at the drop of a hat.
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So anyone assuming he couldn't get the money is based on what?
And where exactly are those people assuming this? The only people assuming anything are you guys assuming everyone is as racist as you clearly are because they wonder if a particular family might have trouble coming up with this kind of money in such short order.

Do you even know what an assumption is? An assumption is a belief that something IS true without any evidence. No questioned issue can ever be an assumption because by virtue of being questioned it is not believed to be so.

Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:59 am to
Did any of you think of the idea that he is NOT on the team and therefore can actually work his way thru the year?

IF he wants to come, all someone has to do is co-sign a loan at any bank in town to cover tuition/living for a few months.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:59 am to
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loan from a bank,payment schedule are still options.
Okay, so what are the interest rates, timetables and deadlines on these? Do you know that there is zero possibility that these options might not be available in time for registration? Because I don't, and most people in the world would not because they don't know the family's situation or financial details. And if those people care about Tyrann's future, they might have a concern that the sudden loss a scholarship could possibly present an issue. And that concern could very well prompt them to hope that it does not turn out to be the case and that options (like the ones y'all mentioned) would be available so that things would work out well. And apparently, there are racist asshats who would assume that such hopes must have some racist motivation (since they cannot conceive of anyone not having a racist motivation for every thought in their head they way they themselves do).

Hopefully you are not one of those asshats, but a couple of folks in this thread have already revealed themselves to be.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:03 am to
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oh lemme guess, you think it's the reporter that fricked it up, not the LSU guy.

Why wouldn't I? The LSU guy could actually face consequences for saying things he shouldn't. All the reporter gets for making shite up or screwing up the quote is a shitload more hype for his article and a bunch more publicity.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12506 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:06 am to
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Did any of you think of the idea that he is NOT on the team and therefore can actually work his way thru the year?
Yes, that would definitely be a possibility. And if well paying jobs were just lying around everywhere waiting for someone to come pick them up, there would be very little cause for concern. But last I checked, jobs weren't all that common these days.
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IF he wants to come, all someone has to do is co-sign a loan at any bank in town to cover tuition/living for a few months.

Banks might not be quite a free wheeling with the loans these days (there was a bit of shakeup with bad loans a few years back). And even if he's not on the team right now, any job or loan that he got as a result of his playing for LSU -- past or future -- could easily compromise his future NCAA eligibility. And I KNOW none of y'all know that answer for sure because the NCAA doesn't even know that answer for sure.

Posted by YMCA
It's Fun to Stay
Member since May 2011
3971 posts
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:08 am to
I keep seeing all this shite about link this link that, this person was quoted as saying this or that, a person close to the situation said this... I've yet to see the quote, link or reliable source that said he was considering this or working on the possibility. It may have been posted but I didn't see it. Who was the person that started all of this talk? Is he reliable? Is he quoting someone else who thinks they know?
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