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re: Herb Vincent (LSU AAD) clears up TM7s status w/ LSU...Discredits GG!
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:10 am to King Joey
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:10 am to King Joey
The only question to worry about is can anyone just walk up to him and hand him $5000 if they want?
He is NOT on scholly and would it be a violation to the NCAA.....
I would think this is why LSU will never go public and say he is being considered for a return to the team later, that would maybe make him some sort of "recruit" and any money borrowed or given to him would be perceived an illegal benefit. But a normal student at LSU with no affiliation to the team can get money from whomever he wants....example: anyone here can walk up to a girl and hand her 5k today. Then next year she decides to walk on to the soccer team...she would not have violated a rule, right?
And this will be kept in house and NEVER be made public, so IF he stays at LSU, all will be kept in the dark and you guys can argue for an entire year.
He is NOT on scholly and would it be a violation to the NCAA.....
I would think this is why LSU will never go public and say he is being considered for a return to the team later, that would maybe make him some sort of "recruit" and any money borrowed or given to him would be perceived an illegal benefit. But a normal student at LSU with no affiliation to the team can get money from whomever he wants....example: anyone here can walk up to a girl and hand her 5k today. Then next year she decides to walk on to the soccer team...she would not have violated a rule, right?
And this will be kept in house and NEVER be made public, so IF he stays at LSU, all will be kept in the dark and you guys can argue for an entire year.
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:12 am to the LSUSaint
quote:I don't believe it would be a violation at this point, but I do believe it would make him ineligible from now on under NCAA rules. Of course, I'm not an expert and I doubt even the NCAA is sure what the answer would be, but that's what seems to be the case based on the rules I've read.
He is NOT on scholly and would it be a violation to the NCAA.....
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:12 am to treyk89
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Why can't people just grasp that tuition won't be an issue. Sure it takes some time for actual Student Loans or other financial aid to be completed. However, they could just go to a bank and get a loan.
True, and you also have to consider that tuition isn't due right when classes start. It is due like a month later, after the add/drop date.
So classes start on the 20th, and he'll have some time after that to pay.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:52 am to King Joey
[quote] And if well paying jobs were just lying around everywhere waiting for someone to come pick them up, there would be very little cause for concern. But last I checked, jobs weren't all that common these days.
Not sure if serious, but I am damn sure TM would not have an issue "washing cars" at the nearest boosters dealership!
Seriously, he would have 30 job offers tomorrow if he asked.....so check again
Not sure if serious, but I am damn sure TM would not have an issue "washing cars" at the nearest boosters dealership!
Seriously, he would have 30 job offers tomorrow if he asked.....so check again
Posted on 8/14/12 at 12:08 pm to the LSUSaint
quote:Okay, but like I said, if he ever intends to play NCAA football again, there could be eligibility complications with NCAA rules regarding job placements like that. Even if he's not on the team right now, something like that might affect his future eligibility anyway. It may go on all the time and people may "get away with it" most of the time, but that doesn't mean it can't be an issue.
Not sure if serious, but I am damn sure TM would not have an issue "washing cars" at the nearest boosters dealership!
Posted on 8/14/12 at 12:14 pm to King Joey
quote:
there are lots of ways for a family with means to not be particularly liquid at any given moment (especially in the midst of a serious recession) and thus have trouble coming up with funds for a very substantial and unexpected expense
And there are lots of ways this can be rectified in the short term (in time not to have his classes purged) while they work through a long term solution if the cash is not liquid. You, and others like you, are creating a "This is a valid concern becaus what if ___________."
There is no reason to believe it is a concern. The fact that it is still under heavy consideration by TM and his family is all the evidence you need. If they didn't think it could be handled one way or the other, we would not be in limbo right now.
Why do you feel like your low percentage possibilities are valid cause for concern just because of a "maybe"? There is absolutley zero indication that tuition is an issue, yet you and others have to validta eyour concernce because of a maybe.
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Do you seriously not get how much money is involved here and the time frames necessary to come up with it?
Nope, I get it. And I also get it all isn't due at one time either.
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Because if you think there's even a possibility that it could become a problem for them then guess what? YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE OTHER GUYS!!!
Let me say it again - maybe pause a second between each word for full effect.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IT COULD BECOME A PROBLEM..AT ALL, WHATSOEVER.
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What kind of moron would even conceive of the notion that this is an unreasonable concern? Have you not been paying attention to the economy, college tuition or anything else for the last 20 years?
Your explanation to validate concerns on whether or not TM's family can pay for a year of tuition is not based off of their current actions and is not based off of their known financial history or track record, but rather as a microcosm of the nation's and world's economy.
So basically, you have no reason for concern or cause to question their ability, you just feel it is reasonable simply because, well, your 401k isn't doing well and when you were in high school your parents couldn't have been able to afford the initial payment for a semester's tuition with a week's notice.
More power to you bro, but when I drive to work I have concern that a car may run a light and hit me and you have concerns that an F-16 fighter jet on a training mission might mistake your car for an Iranian suicide vehicle.
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Really? You have to throw racism in there with absolutely zero justification when the option for a less than complete understanding of the literally millions of pages of legislation, publications, regulations, forms and policies regarding all forms of financial aid from all sources is out there?
It is my opinion that TM being black is a factor in people questioning his ability. That and a simple lack of knowledge of where he went to high school and a simple understand of the amount of assistance (even in the short term) that can be offered to someone who needs to pay their tution.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 12:36 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:And it is not a done deal at the moment, is it? Has it occurred to you that perhaps one of the reasons it is not yet a done deal could be that they are working on those same options you keep mentioning to make sure they can swing it?
The fact that it is still under heavy consideration by TM and his family is all the evidence you need. If they didn't think it could be handled one way or the other, we would not be in limbo right now
quote:Okay, so what's the deadline for applying for an installment plan?
And I also get it all isn't due at one time either.
quote:Okay, so you are just ignorant. Lots of families who once upon a time were able to pay $7k a year in private school tuition are at a later date not able to afford college tuition, even with time to plan and prepare. Medical expenses from serious illnesses, job loss, legal expenses from unrelated legal issues, all sorts of things could make this an issue. Some people just assume nothing will ever go wrong for people they like, and other people hope for that to be the case. The ones who hope for it to be the case still recognize that it may not be.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IT COULD BECOME A PROBLEM..AT ALL, WHATSOEVER.
quote:And neither is your assumption that they will automatically be able to cover this expense with no difficulty or question. Paying $7k in private school tuition DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN AFFORD COLLEGE TUITION NOW. How do you not get that? And you -- like the rest of us -- don't know jack shite about the rest of his family's circumstances. You assume that all is well. That's great. Some of us realize that it might not be, and are hoping for the best for them. What's stupid is that you have some sort of problem with people who hope for the best for Tyrann's family.
Your explanation to validate concerns on whether or not TM's family can pay for a year of tuition is not based off of their current actions and is not based off of their known financial history or track record,
quote:That's an odd concern for someone to have that doesn't recognize potential concerns like financial downturn, family illnesses or surprise expenses. But, whatever floats your boat.
when I drive to work I have concern that a car may run a light and hit me
Just a question, but when people who've just heard that their friend was involved in a car accident say, "gosh, I hope they weren't injured," do you bitch at them and call them racist just because they haven't heard any specific notification that their friends were injured? Do you just have a pet peeve about people expressing concern for others who have just suffered an unexpected misfortune?
Posted on 8/14/12 at 12:49 pm to LSUfan4444
Hopefully, my 5 minutes of research can end this conversation:
Here ( LINK) is the current fee schedule at LSU. Keeping in mind these are semester fees (not yearly), only the fall semester would be due soon, there would be no requirements for TM to remain a full time student and LSU currently has programs in place to put students on a a payment plan so that all would not have to be due up front..
Eligible student can defer 50 percent of the current semester charges. Payment of 50 percent of current semester charges and any prior account balance must be received by the payment due date. Note: A $15 service charge will be assessed on all deferments. The deferred payment plan may be selected via PAWS or myLSU from the "Defer Payment/Payroll Deduct" application.
In addition to the opportunity to defer 50% of the payment, the ability to pay by credit card, lines of credit and private loans from personal banks or credit unions, LSU also offers an emergency loan for up to $300 for undergraduate students. Other types of financial assistance are here: LINK
So, no, I have no worries whatsoever, and there is no evidence whatsoever, to cause any concern than TM and his family (one of whom is a former King of Zulu and employee of UPS) which paid over $7k a year to send him to St. Aug cannot come up with $350 - $1,750. If after I knew all of this info I STILL had concerns, the fact that after three days of discussing and weighing options, TM and his family are still actively discussing attending LSU and paying tuition would erase my doubt.
But if you want to worry about what might be, for no reason at all, go ahead.
Here ( LINK) is the current fee schedule at LSU. Keeping in mind these are semester fees (not yearly), only the fall semester would be due soon, there would be no requirements for TM to remain a full time student and LSU currently has programs in place to put students on a a payment plan so that all would not have to be due up front..
Eligible student can defer 50 percent of the current semester charges. Payment of 50 percent of current semester charges and any prior account balance must be received by the payment due date. Note: A $15 service charge will be assessed on all deferments. The deferred payment plan may be selected via PAWS or myLSU from the "Defer Payment/Payroll Deduct" application.
In addition to the opportunity to defer 50% of the payment, the ability to pay by credit card, lines of credit and private loans from personal banks or credit unions, LSU also offers an emergency loan for up to $300 for undergraduate students. Other types of financial assistance are here: LINK
So, no, I have no worries whatsoever, and there is no evidence whatsoever, to cause any concern than TM and his family (one of whom is a former King of Zulu and employee of UPS) which paid over $7k a year to send him to St. Aug cannot come up with $350 - $1,750. If after I knew all of this info I STILL had concerns, the fact that after three days of discussing and weighing options, TM and his family are still actively discussing attending LSU and paying tuition would erase my doubt.
But if you want to worry about what might be, for no reason at all, go ahead.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:03 pm to King Joey
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Has it occurred to you that perhaps one of the reasons it is not yet a done deal could be that they are working on those same options you keep mentioning to make sure they can swing it?
No, because I do not usually consider an unlikely possibility when there are probably HUNDREDS more likely possibilities.
If I come home and notice my front door has been kicked in, I do not start to consider the possibility that my daughter's stuffed animals were just attacked by a gang of Ninja's hanging out in Mandeville either.
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And neither is your assumption that they will automatically be able to cover this expense with no difficulty or question. Paying $7k in private school tuition DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN AFFORD COLLEGE TUITION NOW. How do you not get that?
I do get that. I understand that someones financial history does not provide the absolute best insight into their current situation. What you don't understand is that in this situation, it provides our best, and only insight into their ability to pay or rectify the situation.
Their track record and history does not give any reason for concern, but the NASDAQ does? By having concern for something like this you are giving more weight into what could be rather than into what was and what is likely now.
Is it possible they are dead broke, with credit scores in the low 200's, but based off of their track record and current actions, that's not likely and again, I try to not make a habit out of worrying about what isn't likely if there are other more plausible possibilities.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:18 pm to LSUfan4444
Okay, let's just put this out there: if you heard about someone with a good job and nice house whose daughter suddenly had to have $2000 of emergency surgery, you would honestly be pissed to hear someone say, "ouch, I hope they don't have any trouble coming up with that"?
Because that is precisely what you have done here. A bunch of people who want things to work out well for Tyrann and his family heard about a situation where they may be suddenly facing an unexpected expense of thousands of dollars, and expressed hope that they would not have problems coming up with the money. And then you and your buddies got pissed at those people and started accusing them of racism.
Because that is precisely what you have done here. A bunch of people who want things to work out well for Tyrann and his family heard about a situation where they may be suddenly facing an unexpected expense of thousands of dollars, and expressed hope that they would not have problems coming up with the money. And then you and your buddies got pissed at those people and started accusing them of racism.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:37 pm to King Joey
I'm sure you're right. I'm sure if we were talking about Trent Mathew, a graduate of Jesuit High School, who's father worked full time and is the former King of Rex we would be discussing his financial abilities to come up with $2k.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:41 pm to LSUfan4444
Damn yall are still fighting about paying tuition.
Let's get back on track. Tm7 may or may not be back after a yr off and GG is a flaming troll.
Let's get back on track. Tm7 may or may not be back after a yr off and GG is a flaming troll.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:43 pm to LSUfan4444
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I'm sure you're right. I'm sure if we were talking about Trent Mathew, a graduate of Jesuit High School, who's father worked full time and is the former King of Rex we would be discussing his financial abilities to come up with $2k.
Jesus Christ on a cross!
Are people really thinking a couple of grand is going to stop TM from attending LSU???
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:45 pm to STEVED00
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GG is a flaming troll
Dude seriously gives me a headache.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:47 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:I don't know about anyone else, but I always hope things work out well for LSU kids and their families. And if Trent Mathew lost a scholarship a week or two before school started, then yes, I would be hoping that his family didn't have any problems getting the money together to pay his way.
I'm sure if we were talking about Trent Mathew, a graduate of Jesuit High School, who's father worked full time and is the former King of Rex we would be discussing his financial abilities to come up with $2k.
Obviously you wouldn't think of them that way, which is fine, but I frankly cannot imagine what mindset it would take for me to get pissed at someone for hoping someone else doesn't have trouble dealing with a sudden unfortunate situation.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:48 pm to TheDoc
quote:I don't know. Have you seen a discussion of that somewhere? I would have thought you would be too busy accusing people of being racist for hoping things go well for Tyrann and his family to notice something like that.
Are people really thinking a couple of grand is going to stop TM from attending LSU???
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:50 pm to King Joey
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This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 1:57 pm to King Joey
When I heard TM was expressing interest in returning to LSU my only concern for him is that he believes 100% in his decision and he does so with conviction. I wish and hope he believes truly in his path, not like the BS we heard before and the humility he "learned".
Even if he does chose to return to LSU, I doubt he will ever rejoin the team because he has given me no reason to think he can toe the straight and narrow for 11 months.
That being said, when having concern for Mathieu and his family, if their financial status and ability to find $2k in a week was not a concern for me, I don't think in any way that means I don't want things to work out. It just means my concerns are more focused on the areas where problems are likely to arise, like this true intentions and desires, his dedication and the support system that sticks with him letting him know all this would go away if he starts making the right decisions today.
I cannot speak for everyone on the forum, but I can say with 100% certainty that I was never pi55ed at anyone who brought up this question. I think it's a ridiculous concern, but certainly never got mad at anyone.
It is quite clear we are of a different mindset, and I am sure we are both pretty happy about that.
Even if he does chose to return to LSU, I doubt he will ever rejoin the team because he has given me no reason to think he can toe the straight and narrow for 11 months.
That being said, when having concern for Mathieu and his family, if their financial status and ability to find $2k in a week was not a concern for me, I don't think in any way that means I don't want things to work out. It just means my concerns are more focused on the areas where problems are likely to arise, like this true intentions and desires, his dedication and the support system that sticks with him letting him know all this would go away if he starts making the right decisions today.
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I frankly cannot imagine what mindset it would take for me to get pissed at someone for hoping someone else doesn't have trouble dealing with a sudden unfortunate situation
I cannot speak for everyone on the forum, but I can say with 100% certainty that I was never pi55ed at anyone who brought up this question. I think it's a ridiculous concern, but certainly never got mad at anyone.
It is quite clear we are of a different mindset, and I am sure we are both pretty happy about that.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 2:05 pm to TheDoc
quote:You know what, you're right. I'm sorry, Doc. You, too, LSU4444.
Eat a dick Joey
This is precisely why I left this board all summer in the first place. The crap all over this board just rubs off on me.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:01 pm to rosiebean
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I don't think people are freaking out. I think the OP asked a pertinent question and got jumped on as though what they were saying was absurd.
This. And the race card being thrown in was uncalled for being that there were many other possibilities as to why some short term aid might be needed.
He probably can pay his tuition on a short notice, but someone not knowing his background - whether he is black or white - probably wouldn't know that. And even if she did know that he attended at 7K tuition high school, she made valid points as to why that wouldn't necessarily preclude needing some help with a last minute tuition assist. Geez, Ive got no problem with you, Doc, but I think YOU blew up this train not her.
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