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Name the FA's Monty/Demps/Loomis have courted in their careers
Posted on 7/6/12 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 7/6/12 at 6:51 pm
People keep saying to "trust them, trust them, trust them".
to "take their word over Gordon's"....
Why should we?
I mean I want to give them the benefit of the doubt....but Loomis has never been involved in basketball operations before a month ago. Face it, it is a lot different than NFL. Demps has never been in this situation as a General manager, & Monty really hasn't either.
It seems they do not have the attention to detail, and more importantly, the experience needed, to handle the current situation we are in with Gordon. At least up until this point.
to "take their word over Gordon's"....
Why should we?
I mean I want to give them the benefit of the doubt....but Loomis has never been involved in basketball operations before a month ago. Face it, it is a lot different than NFL. Demps has never been in this situation as a General manager, & Monty really hasn't either.
It seems they do not have the attention to detail, and more importantly, the experience needed, to handle the current situation we are in with Gordon. At least up until this point.
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 6:53 pm to Lester Earl
I mean do you honestly think they aren't doing anything? Would you have them roll out a creole blue carpet? 
Posted on 7/6/12 at 6:59 pm to St Augustine
they should have realized that when he didnt sign the extension, when he was tweeting about a college basketball game in the middle of a Hornet's game, that when he was frowning in the photo holding up the jersey when he signed here, that maybe they need to sell Gordon on being in New Orleans?
He has played in 9 meaningless games, he has little connection to this team or city for that matter.
PHO proved that obviously it wouldn't take much.
They didn't foresee this possibly happening? Would a more experienced GM had seen this? A uber talented 23 year old SG who can take over a game commanding offers in restricted free agency? is it that far fetched that maybe they need to do a sell job of their own?
He has played in 9 meaningless games, he has little connection to this team or city for that matter.
PHO proved that obviously it wouldn't take much.
They didn't foresee this possibly happening? Would a more experienced GM had seen this? A uber talented 23 year old SG who can take over a game commanding offers in restricted free agency? is it that far fetched that maybe they need to do a sell job of their own?
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:02 pm to St Augustine
Nobody has delt with this exact situation. They just kinda dealed witht the same situation with Paul. They ended up getting the best offer there. Getting Rivers, Gordon, and Aminu. They somehow found Gustavo Ayon, Turned Songalia into Jason Smith and JuJu into Beli. They also somehow samed 30mil in cap space with the Mek and Ariza trade AND that also got uun Darius Miller who should be our backup SF.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:03 pm to Lester Earl
I give the front office a pass with free agents because they've never had much cap room to work with until this year. Hopefully they can learn from an experience like this and know how to handle it better next time.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:06 pm to Lester Earl
Lol wut? WTF do you want them to do, get matching "I love Eric Gordon" tattoos."
Both Dell and Monty have been giving the guy public BJs since he got here.
He's a RFA who took visits and signed with somebody, not groundbreaking news.
Should they have given him rides to the airport? Picked him up afterwards with orange slices in hand?
Gordon made up his mind up long ago that he didnt want to be here. Don't blame that on management. He didn't chose to come here and never wanted to be here.
Lets see, what have been his excuses:
I didn't like their offer during the season.
Phoenix is where his heart is.
They haven't called him enough. Poor baby.
They drafted another SG.
They didnt draft a center.
etc, etc, etc....
Now he's playing fricking GM? Lets draft who Eric Gordon wants so that he can fall in love with Phoenix a couple days later...
Both Dell and Monty have been giving the guy public BJs since he got here.
He's a RFA who took visits and signed with somebody, not groundbreaking news.
Should they have given him rides to the airport? Picked him up afterwards with orange slices in hand?
Gordon made up his mind up long ago that he didnt want to be here. Don't blame that on management. He didn't chose to come here and never wanted to be here.
Lets see, what have been his excuses:
I didn't like their offer during the season.
Phoenix is where his heart is.
They haven't called him enough. Poor baby.
They drafted another SG.
They didnt draft a center.
etc, etc, etc....
Now he's playing fricking GM? Lets draft who Eric Gordon wants so that he can fall in love with Phoenix a couple days later...
This post was edited on 7/6/12 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:11 pm to eyeran
quote:
Gordon made up his mind up long ago that he didnt want to be here
I agree with u except for this. EG said himself tha tif the Hornets would have offered a 4y/58mil deal he would have accepted it. This explains that he didnt make his decision then. He couldve stayed had we offered that.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:12 pm to eyeran
quote:
Both Dell and Monty have been giving the guy public BJs since he got here.
then why haven't they backed it up and actually talked to Gordon directly since free agency has started?
you would have thought the whole PHO thing would have at least solicited a phone call to him.
quote:
Gordon made up his mind up long ago that he didnt want to be here. Don't blame that on management.
Do you think management has done enough to prove to him that he has a future here?
It's the NBA, I really can't believe people are that shocked that a player might need to be coddled.
quote:
Lets see, what have been his excuses:
I didn't like their offer during the season.
Phoenix is where his heart is.
They haven't called him enough. Poor baby.
They drafted another SG.
They didnt draft a center.
etc, etc, etc ,etc...
you think the Hornet's have handled this well?
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:19 pm to Lester Earl
quote:What do you mean "handled?"
you think the Hornet's have handled this well?
He's a RFA. There's nothing to handle. Player takes visits, signs an offer, original team decides if they want to match. This isn't anything new. IF Gordon is telling the truth, Demps talked to him SUNDAY. People are acting like he hasn't heard from him since Christmas.
Demps made it extremely public that they would match any offer.
Plenty RFAs sign offers with other teams. Its not Demps' fault Eric Gordon decided to go Jennifer Lopez on him
This post was edited on 7/6/12 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:22 pm to eyeran
quote:
Its not Demps' fault Eric Gordon decided to go Jennifer Lopez on him
eh...that's how most NBA stars act, for better or worse. i think one of les's points is that they should have known that
quote:
He's a RFA. There's nothing to handle. Player takes visits, signs an offer, original team decides if they want to match. This isn't anything new.
i'm taking his comments as gospel, which may be foolish, but perhaps this ax hanging over his head has led to resentment?
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:29 pm to eyeran
quote:
What do you mean "handled?"
He's a RFA. There's nothing to handle.
if you realized Gordon was "as good as gone", you don't think the Hornets did?
What is so bad about making him feel wanted? He'll have to spend the next few years of his career here. Just because we "own" him on paper, doesn't mean it helps team chemistry to let this shite fester. He has very little connection here. if you have to sell him on NO, sell him. If you have tried already, try again.
There is more to it than "original team decides if they want to match". There is about 5 different layers to that shallow comment that directly affects the future of this team.
This post was edited on 7/6/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm not arguing that NBA players aren't divas. Im arguing that they've been very public about their feelings towards the guy and that he's wanted to GTFO, regardless of what Demps might have done.
eh...that's how most NBA stars act, for better or worse. i think one of les's points is that they should have known that
quote:I meant from a team's perspective, this isn't new. RFAs takes visits and agree to offers all the time.
m taking his comments as gospel, which may be foolish, but perhaps this ax hanging over his head has led to resentment?
From Gordon's perspective, i definitely agree with you. He means what he's saying.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:37 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
if you realized Gordon was "as good as gone", you don't think the Hornets did?
What is so bad about making him feel wanted? He'll have to spend the next few years of his career here. Just because we "own" him on paper, doesn't mean it helps team chemistry to let this shite fester. He has very little connection here. if you have to sell him on NO, sell him. If you have tried already, try again.
There is more to it than "original team decides if they want to match". There is about 5 different layers to that shallow comment that directly affects the future of this team.
We have have no disagreements there.
I just find it very hard to believe the guy's been ignored by Demps. Like i said before, Gordon said they talked Sunday. We know pre-free agency, they made it really clear to him their plans. They would give him max money to stay.
Gordon says they've been in contact with his agent.
I just don't know what else they were supposed to say to the guy since Sunday that wouldn't have already been said. I guess they could've called him after every visit? Ask him how his day is going? I dont know.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:40 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
they should have realized that when he didnt sign the extension, when he was tweeting about a college basketball game in the middle of a Hornet's game, that when he was frowning in the photo holding up the jersey when he signed here, that maybe they need to sell Gordon on being in New Orleans?
He has played in 9 meaningless games, he has little connection to this team or city for that matter.
PHO proved that obviously it wouldn't take much.
They didn't foresee this possibly happening? Would a more experienced GM had seen this? A uber talented 23 year old SG who can take over a game commanding offers in restricted free agency? is it that far fetched that maybe they need to do a sell job of their own?
Solid post, sign and trade EG, but get a third team involved.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:45 pm to eyeran
i think for sure we should have offered 4/58 off top
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
You know you would've crushed Demps for offering a guy, who he controls, a max contract without him ever hitting the market.
There were many people who swore he'd never get a max offer.
There were many people who swore he'd never get a max offer.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:53 pm to eyeran
ya jakey would have went with whatever fo didn't do.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:53 pm to eyeran
quote:
I just don't know what else they were supposed to say to the guy since Sunday that wouldn't have already been said. I guess they could've called him after every visit? Ask him how his day is going? I dont know.
seems like all he really wanted was a vote of confidence. Ultimately that comes with a viable contract offer, but should also come with an open line of communication
Posted on 7/6/12 at 7:58 pm to Lester Earl
After reading what Gordon had to say, I'm not even upset at him anymore. I think it is ridiculous that Dell hasn't even contacted him.
I guess I see why I havent seen heard anything on the Hormets front. Have to hit my brother up and see if he has heard anything.
I guess I see why I havent seen heard anything on the Hormets front. Have to hit my brother up and see if he has heard anything.
Posted on 7/6/12 at 8:01 pm to dj30
Does your brother work with the Hornets? Any info you can get would be appreciated. 
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