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re: Arsenal 2012/2013 Season Long Thread
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:18 pm to lesismeaurx
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:18 pm to lesismeaurx
You must not follow Arsenal fans too closely then. As OBU already pointed out, they take extreme pride in their financial situation. They complained the loudest when a certain Russian bought one of the other clubs in London, and a Sheikh bought City.
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There are just as many fans excited about this possibility merely because it opens up many more doors for the club.
Americans, probably. I've been to London 4 times. I've visited the Emirates. I've gotten drunk with local Arsenal fans at pubs in the area. They hate City and Chelsea because of what they've become due to money. Hate. This isn't just some of them, like you say.
You are jumping to conclusions on "winning silverware doesn't mean everything," which is the problem. That doesn't mean not winning is acceptable.
Let me clear up another point. I am NOT saying that there won't be Arsenal fans that will be thrilled. There will, I'm sure. Plenty of morals will be switched if this comes to fruition.
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:25 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Dude I read Arsenal boards all the time, English centric arsenal boards, and they hate City and Chelsea bc we dominated the old way and city and Chelsea have erased the old way forever. But the last two seasons have changed opinions, and it's becoming much more "if you can't beat them join them." It was easy to be self-righteous when Arsenal still had world class players like Fabregas and Van Persie but as the quality of the squad has decreased year after year so has the reluctance of fans to "financially dope." All that's gonna happen is those same fans are gonna blame city and Chelsea for forcing them to go this route. Kind of like how Red Sox fans rationalize having such a high payroll by pointing out that the Yankees did it first
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:25 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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I've been to London 4 times. I've visited the Emirates. I've gotten drunk with local Arsenal fans at pubs in the area.
Damn brah, that's pretty sick.
In all seriousness, what's the best place for me to research the fair play initiative as it relates to the EPL? From my understanding, it's a certain limit on debt. And what keeps the premier league from being more equitable as it is now?
It feels shitty to complain about this concept, but I can definitely empathize with the Arsenal perspective that you are referring to. As seemingly liberal as it is, I much prefer salary caps and revenue sharing in our major sports.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:30 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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hey hate City and Chelsea because of what they've become due to money
No one is arguing that. As for the american jab, sure most american fans will be excited because they are disconnected from the club and we have different values. I was referring to a couple of buddies of mine that live in london. Their take has been mostly of excitement.
Like I said, there is no consensus.
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There will, I'm sure. Plenty of morals will be switched if this comes to fruition.
This is the fun part. How many people will actually stay true to what they said? I tend to hold arsenal fans to a higher standard, so I'm hoping morals remain intact.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:42 pm to tigerfan88
I understand what you're saying, and I hope it isn't true.
I like Arsenal a lot, and respect the club and their fans. Permanent class for the most part. However, I hope this isn't true for the sake of the league, for the sake of Liverpool and for fear of what Arsenal may become.
I like Arsenal a lot, and respect the club and their fans. Permanent class for the most part. However, I hope this isn't true for the sake of the league, for the sake of Liverpool and for fear of what Arsenal may become.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
The "its not all about silverware" argument is for teams that don't win.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:49 pm to hendersonshands
Like I said, y'all are mistaking what I mean when I say that.
"It's not all about silverware" applies when you are talking about changing the culture of the club. Clearly, competing is about winning. My point was that Arsenal don't have to become something they hate just to win something shiny.
"It's not all about silverware" =/= "it's okay to not win silverware."
Look at LFC last year. We are in a similar situation as Arsenal. We've lost most of our best players over the years (Xabi, Torres, Masch, etc.). We've certainly "come down" and are going through a transition phase. Yet we managed to make it to two cup finals last season. A decent feat that didn't need the backing of a an Arab prince. The only difference between Arsenal and LFC is that Arsenal pocketed the money they made on Cesc and RVP, while Liverpool burned it on Carroll and Downing.
"It's not all about silverware" applies when you are talking about changing the culture of the club. Clearly, competing is about winning. My point was that Arsenal don't have to become something they hate just to win something shiny.
"It's not all about silverware" =/= "it's okay to not win silverware."
Look at LFC last year. We are in a similar situation as Arsenal. We've lost most of our best players over the years (Xabi, Torres, Masch, etc.). We've certainly "come down" and are going through a transition phase. Yet we managed to make it to two cup finals last season. A decent feat that didn't need the backing of a an Arab prince. The only difference between Arsenal and LFC is that Arsenal pocketed the money they made on Cesc and RVP, while Liverpool burned it on Carroll and Downing.
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:05 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I was just poking at the fire. Trying to get a bigger flame.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:25 pm to hendersonshands
Sad thing is, arsenal doesn't need sugar daddy money to compete with the mega-rich clubs... They just need to allow Wenger to spend the money they have.
Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:26 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Fa cup finals and capital one cup finals are nice treatments for the symptoms, but they don't address the disease itself
Posted on 3/2/13 at 8:32 pm to TFTC
Or Wenger just needs to spend the money he's given. Who knows what is actually happening. Once Arsenal get a few leeches off the wage bill, they need to invest in one or two big players.
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 11:22 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Yeah that's the problem. Our spending has always equaled our sales plus our property profits...except for last summer, the first with new management. Tough to know if Wenger just didn't like anyone for their price or if the funds weren't made available. You know I'm optimistic about our spending in the summer, regardless of whether we get bought/miss the CL, but that's just based on a hope that Kroenke isn't directly siphoning off funds, but rather waiting to cash in on an increase in valuation.
On paper, we're much better set up to survive lack of CL than 'Pool was when they lost out. This should be the first summer we retain all of our good players and definitely have money to spend. Plus Santi, Poldi, Giroud, Monreal will all further adjust to the PL, our young players should continue to improve, etc. That said, who knows what these board issues will do and who knows what will happen to Wenger if we get bought...
On paper, we're much better set up to survive lack of CL than 'Pool was when they lost out. This should be the first summer we retain all of our good players and definitely have money to spend. Plus Santi, Poldi, Giroud, Monreal will all further adjust to the PL, our young players should continue to improve, etc. That said, who knows what these board issues will do and who knows what will happen to Wenger if we get bought...
Posted on 3/2/13 at 11:37 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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who knows what will happen to Wenger if we get bought...
That is a massive question in this entire buyout scenario. Don't we have 99 million to spend and losing some of the debt weight wages would just add to that number. If we make top 4 I think we make the two biggest signings in club history dollar wise. If we don't, we make one really big one. If we are bought out, money talks ala City and all bets are off.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 6:57 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Of course the Liverpool fan says that.
Arsenal will be sold so that we don't become a shell of ourselves as Liverpool has.
Arsenal will be sold so that we don't become a shell of ourselves as Liverpool has.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 7:04 am to TFTC
This is true, but wouldn't that be the same thing as having a "sugar daddy"?
Basically, new ownership would mean getting someone who is willing to let Wenger spend the money they have.
Seems that many people are more concerned with WHO the owner is rather than his behavior.
If Kroenke and Co. were to spend as we fans think they should, then this conversation isn't happening.
Basically, new ownership would mean getting someone who is willing to let Wenger spend the money they have.
Seems that many people are more concerned with WHO the owner is rather than his behavior.
If Kroenke and Co. were to spend as we fans think they should, then this conversation isn't happening.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 7:18 am to Sophandros
Anyway, the club has come out and dismissed any talk of a takeover, saying that they have not been contacted by anyone about buying the club.
here is a link
here is a link
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:39 am to Sophandros
VIVA GOONERS
Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:35 am to Leauxgan
#np ? estoy aqui - shakira
edit mas importante -chicharrones y tecate con lima.
edit mas importante -chicharrones y tecate con lima.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:55 am to S
NOW IS NOT THE TIME 
Posted on 3/3/13 at 12:01 pm to Sophandros
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Arsenal will be sold so that we don't become a shell of ourselves as Liverpool has.
Liverpool is in its current state because of owners who have driven multiple franchises into the ground.
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