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Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:48 pm to HawgAlude
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believe what you want but my family owns a nice piece of land and it has been in it for over a hundred years
Dude i'm really sorry for doubting you, if i would have known that then I would have never doubted your sources inside the Athletic Department..........
That is pure gold baby, holy shite You arky fans aren't actually going to claim him are you?
Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:49 pm to willow2
Did this tard just try and claim street cred because his family owns land? I hate our fans sometimes.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:09 pm to willow2
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You arky fans aren't actually going to claim him are you?
good luck finding any that do
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:17 pm to hawgfaninc
So is this Hawgeye dude just staking his future on TD on the gundy to arky ship? What are you guy's thoughts.
ETA: No answers from you mattz1122 you should ban yourself for a month or two
ETA: No answers from you mattz1122 you should ban yourself for a month or two
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:19 pm to willow2
lulz Who the hell are you?
Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:04 pm to willow2
My future on TD? Of course, because all I care about in life is posting things on this message board.
Btw, I've been caught in so many untruths on here I wouldn't believe me either. I'm never right on anything, ever. I get 99% of my information from the Hawgalude-Ed Enquirer.
Btw, I've been caught in so many untruths on here I wouldn't believe me either. I'm never right on anything, ever. I get 99% of my information from the Hawgalude-Ed Enquirer.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:31 pm to Hawgeye
if i ahd to lay a bet down right now i'd go gundy. makes too much sense. it's his type of guy, offesntrntic type coach
Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:43 pm to songofthesword
It's not Gundy or Patterson. I don't know who it is. But I don't own land in so my guess doesn't count. I know what type of coach it should be, just not sure of the exact name.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:04 pm to sms151t
I said they talked, I did not say what about and do not know it could have gone like. He could have said thanks but no thanks. I do not care, I told you who I think we will get. I said a tier 2 or 3 coach such as a Dykes, Strong et al. list em here.
Gruden is BS
Patterson stays in TCU land
and Gundy may or may not have been in play
Trey Schapp is a complete idiot and they put him on the air, according to him Gruden is the next coach he has been identified and all we have to do is sign him. The probability of that happening? .000000001 percent.
so there you have it. That is my prediction but I could be wrong and I admit that but a Gruden Carroll or Patterson is not happening and I seriously do not think Gundy takes it either.
The Tulsa World tends to break things out from there quick, so they say we should look at Butch Davis and before it is all said and done that is a possibility as well.
Gruden is BS
Patterson stays in TCU land
and Gundy may or may not have been in play
Trey Schapp is a complete idiot and they put him on the air, according to him Gruden is the next coach he has been identified and all we have to do is sign him. The probability of that happening? .000000001 percent.
so there you have it. That is my prediction but I could be wrong and I admit that but a Gruden Carroll or Patterson is not happening and I seriously do not think Gundy takes it either.
The Tulsa World tends to break things out from there quick, so they say we should look at Butch Davis and before it is all said and done that is a possibility as well.
This post was edited on 11/16/12 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:51 pm to willow2
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You arky fans aren't actually going to claim him are you
Good God, no. Tom Cruise behind a Scientology pulpit is (or was) his avi - that's enough info to figure him out.
This post was edited on 11/16/12 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 11/17/12 at 1:11 am to willow2
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What's your honest no bullshite opinion about the situation and realistic candidates.
My educated opinion is Patterson will be the next coach. Too much smoke, if Pete Roussel is saying it, you gotta put some major stock into it. I believe Gundy is high on our list of candidate in case Patterson falls through, and a couple reputable guys are saying he would listen closely to Arkansas.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 1:21 am to HawgAlude
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believe what you want but my family owns a nice piece of land and it has been in it for over a hundred years.
Ah so that is your source!
Posted on 11/17/12 at 1:21 am to Woopigsooie20
I think it's this order:
1. Candidate X from NFL team (not a HC or former HC)
2. Fitzgerald
3. Strong
4. Gundy
5. Patterson
6. Tubberville
7. Everyone else
1. Candidate X from NFL team (not a HC or former HC)
2. Fitzgerald
3. Strong
4. Gundy
5. Patterson
6. Tubberville
7. Everyone else
Posted on 11/17/12 at 1:29 am to sms151t
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2. Fitzgerald
3. Strong
4. Gundy
5. Patterson
Would be happy with any of those.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 2:06 am to sms151t
List in order of how scared I am of the potentials:
1. Briles. Terrified of his connections in the state and emphasis on offense. Would have Arky competing for third in the west within two years with two top 20 recruiting classes.
2. Tuberville. Is a winner, and another good recruiter. He won't make Arky a top 10 program, but he will ruin the season of a top 10 program every year.
3. Gundy. Not such a great recruiter but a pretty good coach. Just fricking beats A&M. I don't think he recruits well enough in Texas to really do well at Arky but I might be wrong.
4. Patterson. A pretty good recruiter with good defensive chops. Has had good player development, but is shown to be over his head in the Big 12 this year. Already hit his ceiling.
5. Strong. Defensive coach with almost no ties to Texas. Since you need good recruiting for a defense to work well, he basically would have to create a huge and stable pipeline to Florida talent within a year to succeed. I don't see that happening and so he would be my top Arky choice.
Arky will never have a top 10 defense and so that is why the two defensive options are lower in my list. The hardest players to recruit in football are elite d-linemen as they are easy to spot in elementary school. D Line talent is what separates a top ten recruiting class from a top 25 classes, and Arky can never be a top 10 recruiting program.
1. Briles. Terrified of his connections in the state and emphasis on offense. Would have Arky competing for third in the west within two years with two top 20 recruiting classes.
2. Tuberville. Is a winner, and another good recruiter. He won't make Arky a top 10 program, but he will ruin the season of a top 10 program every year.
3. Gundy. Not such a great recruiter but a pretty good coach. Just fricking beats A&M. I don't think he recruits well enough in Texas to really do well at Arky but I might be wrong.
4. Patterson. A pretty good recruiter with good defensive chops. Has had good player development, but is shown to be over his head in the Big 12 this year. Already hit his ceiling.
5. Strong. Defensive coach with almost no ties to Texas. Since you need good recruiting for a defense to work well, he basically would have to create a huge and stable pipeline to Florida talent within a year to succeed. I don't see that happening and so he would be my top Arky choice.
Arky will never have a top 10 defense and so that is why the two defensive options are lower in my list. The hardest players to recruit in football are elite d-linemen as they are easy to spot in elementary school. D Line talent is what separates a top ten recruiting class from a top 25 classes, and Arky can never be a top 10 recruiting program.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 2:17 am to willow2
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What's your honest no bullshite opinion about the situation and realistic candidates
Just getting in, I'm gonna crash and I'll post during the early games where I'm sitting on this currently.
I'll just preface by reminding y'all that past history shows Arkansas to hire coaches from all sorts of backgrounds and levels of experience. Peepaw has mandated that assistants don't get the HC job without having been a HC. I don't expect that to change. The only college assistant I have in my candidate list is Nebraska's Tim Beck, that guy is gonna get his own program soon.
Here's a link to my reply on the same question a couple days ago. I'll expound on it in the morning. LINK
Posted on 11/17/12 at 2:34 am to cardboardboxer
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Arky will never have a top 10 defense and so that is why the two defensive options are lower in my list. The hardest players to recruit in football are elite d-linemen as they are easy to spot in elementary school. D Line talent is what separates a top ten recruiting class from a top 25 classes, and Arky can never be a top 10 recruiting program.
Lots of fail and lots of truth in that post. If a kid is easy to spot as a blue chip in elementary then it should pretty damn easy to find them in HS. It is a misnomer that Arkansas doesnt produce Dline talent. When looking at the current roster of Arkansans in the NFL 1/2 of them are D-linemen, however, none went to the U. of Arkansas. They either went out of state or to small in state schools and worked their way into the NFL.
Nutt and the MSM were really bad at talent evaluation, the only players off his Arkansas teams that played the same position in the league as they did in college were MacFadden, Felix, Houston, Hamlin, and Nate Garner. Matt Jones QB to WR, Shawn Andrews T to G, Jason Peters TE to elite T, George Wilson WR to S, hell they wanted Ryan Mallett to be a TE. Arkansas produces big burly Dlinemen, the Fayetteville school just misses bigtime on recruiting them. Arkansas coaches and fans have gotten into this mindset that very few kids from Arkansas have SEC talent, where the majority of Arkansas kids in the NFL today went to schools other than the Razorbacks.
Some of the best players in Arkansas' history have been DE and DT, and they've been homegrown. There are many challenges to recruiting at Arkansas, the depth of talented HS kids makes it critical that the kids you do take from the state aren't Darius Winston type busts that eat scholarship space.
If Arkansas could have kept the Petrino thing going and been a one or two loss team at this point in the season then those Jordan Diamond, Davonte Neal, DGB, the juco WR that flipped to OU, Anthony Barnett, and the 15 other high profile guys we just missed out on last year would be commmiting and playing in Fville. Success and winning are the most important factors in recruiting. Win big, swag big, look big, feel big, recruit big, win big, repeat.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 2:38 am to cardboardboxer
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1. Briles. Terrified of his connections in the state and emphasis on offense. Would have Arky competing for third in the west within two years with two top 20 recruiting classes.
People were hot on him early, but him bombing out without RGIII has pretty much eliminated him.
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2. Tuberville. Is a winner, and another good recruiter. He won't make Arky a top 10 program, but he will ruin the season of a top 10 program every year.
Overrated. 18 years as Head Coach, 2 10+ win seasons. Aside from his 13-0 season, meh..
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3. Gundy. Not such a great recruiter but a pretty good coach. Just fricking beats A&M. I don't think he recruits well enough in Texas to really do well at Arky but I might be wrong.
See, I think he is a underrated recruiter, Top 25 classes at Oklahoma St aren't easily attained. Homerun Hire, imo.
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4. Patterson. A pretty good recruiter with good defensive chops. Has had good player development, but is shown to be over his head in the Big 12 this year. Already hit his ceiling.
Has a very, very young team and all kind of injury and QB problems on offense. His past work speaks for itself. Over his head in the Big 12 is not a true statement because of the circumstances. Homerun Hire also, imo. Of course he hit his ceiling, can't go better than 14-0.
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5. Strong. Defensive coach with almost no ties to Texas. Since you need good recruiting for a defense to work well, he basically would have to create a huge and stable pipeline to Florida talent within a year to succeed. I don't see that happening and so he would be my top Arky choice.
He's in top 5 or 6, but he isn't going anywhere this year at least.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 2:47 am to Woopigsooie20
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People were hot on him early, but him bombing out without RGIII has pretty much eliminated him.
Just the fact he found and developed RGlll is huge. His network with Texas High School coaches is what Arky needs to recruit well. I hope yall pass him by.
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See, I think he is a underrated recruiter, Top 25 classes at Oklahoma St aren't easily attained.
Maybe not in the past, but after T Boone's renovations they have a lot to sell. I think the issue is not that he can't get talent, but when he did have success he couldn't move up to top 20 classes. He has a ceiling on recruiting it seems.
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His past work speaks for itself.
What past work? Beating up on a weak conference where only he had access to Texas talent?
I give him credit for developing some NFL talent out of two star players. But he has not shown he can run with the big dogs.
His 2013 class, which given his recent success and step up into the Big 12 should mean a top 25 class, is not even in the top 40. That is not going to cut it in the SEC West where A&M is going to run top 10 offensive talent down your throat and LSU/Bama is going to smother you with top 10 defensive talent.
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