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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:15 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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The issue is the CYA memo not feedback
The issue is the actual content of the memo, idiot. It is QUITE reasonable and responsible to authorize an operation under a particular set of risks and expect a commander to check back first if those risks change, you dumb ass.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:19 pm to Rex)
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The issue is the actual content of the memo
And the timing. Was it for the actual operation or for the planning stages? What information was known at the time of the memo?
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn)
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So because we didn't hear about it, means it doesn't exist?
This whole thread is stupid. Our commander-in-chief sent a memo to the man carrying out the operation telling him that if the risks were to change that he should check back. Nothing at all wrong with that, and from THAT Hannity and Mukasey made their own straw man projections that Obama wouldn't take responsibility. The kicker here is that Obama could have blamed McCraven for not following instructions with OR without any memo, and would have been easier to do so without one, so this whole thread is pointless partisan hackery.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:21 pm to Rex)
No it isn't. It is not reasonable at all to shackle your commander and require instatnaeous communications and prepare a memo to cover your arse if something doesn't go as planned on such an operation. To suggest the commander would have to rely on that dumb arse in DC for tactical advice in the course of an operation is absurd.
The fact of the matter is McCraven couldn't micro manage the team after it was ordered in.
You are an idiot.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:25 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Show me where the memo required "instantaneous communications" or that McCraven was required to get "tactical advice in the course of the operation", or admit that you're a lying idiot. Not that you're not one, anyway.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:30 pm to Rex)
The REAL issue is -- if he wasn't willing to accept the blame, then why in the hell is he going around and shouting "I, I, I, Me, Me, Me" all over the f'ing place taking full f'ing credit like he was the one who actually went over there to personally take out Bin Laden.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:33 pm to Rex)
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Show me where the memo required "instantaneous communications" or that McCraven was required to get "tactical advice in the course of the operation", or admit that you're a lying idiot. Not that you're not one, anyway.
"And if he encountered anything else, he had to check back."
How does he chek back with the Mediocrity in Chief without instatntaneous communications?
Why does he chek back with the Mediocrity in Chief if not to get guidance?
I know I don't have your great military experience of failing your physical at the induction station, but you are truly a moron.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:34 pm to Newbomb Turk)
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if he wasn't willing to accept the blame,
That's just your strawman. I haven't seen the memo, nor have you, but I'm certain that's not what it says, nor is it what Mr. Mukasey says its says, even though it doesn't look like Mukasey saw it, either.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:42 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Can you even read, you hopeless moron?
"it was to proceed according to the risks, only according to the risks"
Do you even know what the words "proceed" and "risks" mean? There would have no need for "tactical advice in the course of the operation" if there were no operation, you hopeless moron.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:49 pm to Rex)
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"And if he encountered anything else, he had to check back."
Why did he have to check back? If the "risks" were different which would be a subjective call, perhaps he could have been told to abort, but Panetta is requiring him to check back? To what end?
Why do you ignore that element of the memo?
Because you suppor tthe Mediocrity in the White house no matter how inept he is.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:57 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Why? You have any evidence of this happening in say the past 70 years?
Did Reagan ever take responsibility for Iran-Contra? I can't remember.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:01 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Why did he have to check back?
Because a military operation inside a foreign country was Obama's call to make, and he's McRaven's boss. If you don't like it, moron, elect some other Commander-in-Chief.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:02 pm to BayouBlitz)
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Did Reagan ever take responsibility for Iran-Contra? I can't remember.
Not as much responsibility as Obama has claimed for the killing of Bin laden?
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:05 pm to Rex)
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it was to proceed according to the risks, only according to the risks that had been outline to the president.
And if he encountered anything else, he had to check back. You better believe if anything else had been encountered and the mission had failed, then the blame would have fall own McCraven.
I'm not sure what "check back" means, in the context of being in the middle of the operation. I infer from this statement that if something had gone wrong, it was a forgone conclusion, to the White House, that it failed because of unforeseen risks and a failure by the general to communicate changes. Which, to me, sounds like an impossible request. I suspect that's the point, though.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:08 pm to Rex)
Rex, gas prices are coming down. They can't blame Obama for that so they have to fill up space.
Hannity and Fox Nation. Please exit through the gift shop.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:13 pm to GRTiger)
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It takes a real leader to make a decision for which he will either take the credit or shift the blame depending on the outcome
My thoughts exactly. 
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:14 pm to DA)
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Rex, gas prices are coming down. They can't blame Obama for that so they have to fill up space. Hannity and Fox Nation. Please exit through the gift shop.
What the hell does any of this even mean? 
You think high gas prices are people's only complaint? You really dont know politics as much as you think you do.
You also keep posting this gift shop garbage. Is that your new catch phrase that nobody will understand?
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:15 pm to GoCrazyAuburn)
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To be honest, I think most presidents would do this
Maybe. But on the flip side, I don't think any other President would take sole credit like Obama has for the success of the mission. Certainly don't think any other President would use it as his top talkin point for his re-election campaign. But it's pretty typical. Just like in sports, those who are more likely to spike the ball and over celebrate a good play are the ones who can't take any blame for a negative play. Obama is that guy. Really cool to have "that guy" as POTUS.
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:16 pm to BeeFense5)
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What the hell does any of this even mean?
You think high gas prices are people's only complaint? You really dont know politics as much as you think you do.
You also keep posting this gift shop garbage. Is that your new catch phrase that nobody will understand?
DA game plan:
1. Enter thread
2. Post deflection that is completely off topic
3. Post silly catch phrase
4. Facts/logic posted in thread by others
5. Leave thread
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| re: Official: Obama Admin Drafted Memo to Blame Military If Bin Laden Mission Failed (Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:26 pm to wickowick)
I have no doubt he would have blamed someone.
But from what I've read, that doesn't sound like a "drafted memo to blame the military if the raid failed."
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