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re: Best boxer in the last 30 years?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 1:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 5/6/12 at 1:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
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8.Marco Antonio Barrera
Id tell everyone on here about the 2 times he kidnapped me and made me his "bodyguard" for the night but no one would believe me.
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:01 am to bobbyray21
I would put Larry Holmes in the list also. He had the most devastating left jab and ducked nobody. His biggest mistake was he followed Ali. He was robbed the second Spinks fight. But to go 47-0 and beat people the way he did was incredible.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:03 am to bobbyray21
I reserve the right to change this, but off the top of my head:
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jones Jr.
4. Aaron Pryor
5. Marvin Hagler
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jones Jr.
4. Aaron Pryor
5. Marvin Hagler
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:07 am to bobbyray21
Aaron Pryor was a warrior but I think of him more of Livingston Bramble type of guy. Arguello to me was better fighter technically just not able to out muscle him.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:08 am to sms151t
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I would put Larry Holmes in the list also. He had the most devastating left jab and ducked nobody. His biggest mistake was he followed Ali. He was robbed the second Spinks fight. But to go 47-0 and beat people the way he did was incredible.
I don't know man. He barely beat Ken Norton to get the title. Holmes is underrated, but I don't know if I can put him at the very top of the elite. He never dominated anybody good. I would think more highly of him if he had more easily disposed of Norton.
Now I realize that Ali didn't easily dispose of Norton, but Ali easily disposed of very few fighters in the 70s. He was way better in the 60s. He really only had on great fight in the 70s -- the Foreman fight.
He also got his arse kicked by Tyson at an age where should have been a little bit more competitive.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:08 am to sms151t
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I would put Larry Holmes in the list also. He had the most devastating left jab and ducked nobody. His biggest mistake was he followed Ali. He was robbed the second Spinks fight. But to go 47-0 and beat people the way he did was incredible.
He didnt beat anyone good in the last 30 years.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:13 am to sms151t
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Aaron Pryor was a warrior but I think of him more of Livingston Bramble type of guy. Arguello to me was better fighter technically just not able to out muscle him.
He beat Arguello twice, and it wasn't outmuscling. Watch those fights. Pryor was skillful skillful boxer.
Pryor was probably 5-6, and Arguello was like 5-11. And Arguello was great. It takes a great deal of technical boxng ability for the shorter man to dominate a taller man that is a great fighter.
Tyson (a short fighter) had amazing technical defensive skills -- bobbing, weaving, bending sideways, getting low, etc. -- that allowed him to focus on attacking all the time. He was brilliantly trained by Cus D'Amato and then kevin Rooney. And then of course he fired Rooney and hired trainers who treated a puffy eye in his corner with a condom filled with water.
Tyson career is a shame.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:18 am to bobbyray21
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Let's start with the big ones:
- where the hell is Mayweather?
- where the hell is Lennox Lewis? He was a better heavyweight than Holyfield every single day of the week.
- Michael Spinks? Hell, why not Leon Spinks?
- Pac but not Mayweather? That's silly.
Holy crap please don't ever talk boxing ever again.
Did you really just compare the Spinks brothers? Michael Spinks is arguable the greatest light heavyweight of all time and of course went up to heavyweight and beat 48-0 Larry Holmes TWICE. Leon Spinks was a freaking novelty boxer, who won a gold medal then after 7 pro fights got a title shot against a beyond washed up Ali and then proceeded to get knocked out by every single opponent with a pulse.
I don't even know why I am continuing to respond to someone who knows absolutely nothing about boxing.
Even if Lennox had a better heavyweight resume(he doesn't). Holyfield's cruiserweight accomplishments alone would still give him at least a comparable resume to Lennox. I bet you didn't even know Holyfield was a Cruiserweight? Do you even know what Cruiserweight is?
Mayweather is very dominant and talented but he hasn't fought great competition at all. To this day Mayweather's only 2 wins against a prime pound for pound top 10 opponent(at their real weight class) is Diego Corrales way back in 2001. But thinking Mayweather's resume was great is actually the least egregious thing you posted
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:19 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Did you really just compare the Spinks brothers? Michael Spinks is arguable the greatest light heavyweight of all time and of course went up to heavyweight and beat 48-0 Larry Holmes TWICE. Leon Spinks was a freaking novelty boxer, who won a gold medal then after 7 pro fights got a title shot against a beyond washed up Ali and then proceeded to get knocked out by every single opponent with a pulse.
I was being sarcastic.
I was mocking your inclusion of Michael Spinks on the best fighters of the last 30 years list. Because it deserved to be mocked.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:21 am to VerlanderBEAST
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I don't even know why I am continuing to respond to someone who knows absolutely nothing about boxing.
I'm laughing.
I used to box. It was my best sport. And even if it wasn't, how about we take a poll of my top 5 list versus your garbage top ten list, and see whether reasonable people side with your nonsense, or my sensical list.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:21 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Even if Lennox had a better heavyweight resume(he doesn't). Holyfield's cruiserweight accomplishments alone would still give him at least a comparable resume to Lennox. I bet you didn't even know Holyfield was a Cruiserweight? Do you even know what Cruiserweight is
I bet you don't know what a clitoris is.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:23 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Mayweather is very dominant and talented but he hasn't fought great competition at all. To this day Mayweather's only 2 wins against a prime pound for pound top 10 opponent(at their real weight class) is Diego Corrales way back in 2001. But thinking Mayweather's resume was great is actually the least egregious thing you posted
Besides Pac, who else does the man have to fight? He beats the frick out of everybody. You're presenting to me the exact same argument you were attempting to refute vis a vis Jones Jr.
Good luck in your search for the clitoris.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:25 am to VerlanderBEAST
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VerlanderBEAST
He makes me laugh.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:26 am to bobbyray21
Yeah the best light heavyweight of the last 60 years, who also was the first man to beat Larry Holmes isn't a top 10 fighter 
What's next
Manny Pacquiao? Why not Bobby Pacquiao
Joe Frazier? Why not Marvis Frazier?
What's next
Manny Pacquiao? Why not Bobby Pacquiao
Joe Frazier? Why not Marvis Frazier?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:27 am to snatchola
I would have said Sugar Ray Leonard but he was past his best after 1982 and all of his big wins besides Hagler also happened after the 30-year window. Take out Leonard and you can really pick a number of candidates and not go wrong with any of them. Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones, Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather all can make a good case for being the best boxer in the past 30 years. But at his best, I don't think there was ever a more dominant and more impressive boxer than Roy Jones Jr. He's the greatest physical specimen the sport of boxing has ever seen. He was like the Lebron of boxing. You were just in awe of his physical skill set like people are with Lebron now.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:29 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Manny Pacquiao? Why not Bobby Pacquiao
Joe Frazier? Why not Marvis Frazier?
I'm still not even sure if you're following along. Because I think you actually might be too stupid to understand sarcasm.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:31 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Yeah the best light heavyweight of the last 60 years, who also was the first man to beat Larry Holmes isn't a top 10 fighter
Couldn't hold Archie Moore's jockstrap.
Try again.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:32 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Yeah the best light heavyweight of the last 60 years, who also was the first man to beat Larry Holmes isn't a top 10 fighte
No, he isn't. How many weight divisions are there, Mcfly?
Ah, you see how a guy could be the best in his weight division and still not be top ten? See how that might work out?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:33 am to bobbyray21
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I reserve the right to change this, but off the top of my head:
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jones Jr.
4. Aaron Pryor
5. Marvin Hagler
Your list seems pretty reasonable enough except for Hopkins at #2 over Jones and Hagler. Come on now. Jones beat Hopkins decisively in '92 with a fractured right hand. Hopkins aged incredibly well and has a great resume but he's not a greater boxer than Roy Jones Jr.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:34 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
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I would have said Sugar Ray Leonard but he was past his best after 1982 and all of his big wins besides Hagler also happened after the 30-year window. Take out Leonard and you can really pick a number of candidates and not go wrong with any of them. Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones, Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather all can make a good case for being the best boxer in the past 30 years. But at his best, I don't think there was ever a more dominant and more impressive boxer than Roy Jones Jr. He's the greatest physical specimen the sport of boxing has ever seen. He was like the Lebron of boxing. You were just in awe of his physical skill set like people are with Lebron now.
Leonard, Hagler, Duran, and Hearns were all really goddamn good.
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