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re: Best boxer in the last 30 years?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:37 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:37 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Your list seems pretty reasonable enough except for Hopkins at #2 over Jones and Hagler. Come on now. Jones beat Hopkins decisively in '92 with a fractured right hand. Hopkins aged incredibly well and has a great resume but he's not a greater boxer than Roy Jones Jr.
I could go back and forth on that. Jones Jr. at his absolute best was better than Hopkins. But the ting with Jones, as I mentioned before, is that he wasn't that good technically. For the longest time, this didn't matter. I mean, he was probably the best pure athlete that's been in the ring since the 60s version of Ali. And when that's the case you can get away with never throwing a jab.
But then it all went to shite when he hit 35, and that's because he didn't have the same caliber of technical skills that Hopkins and Mayweather do. Especially Mayweather, who is one of the most technically sound boxers who has ever fought.
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:37 am to bobbyray21
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Besides Pac, who else does the man have to fight? He beats the frick out of everybody. You're presenting to me the exact same argument you were attempting to refute vis a vis Jones Jr.
Good luck in your search for the clitoris.
1.Having a great resume is dependent upon having great opponents
2.Mayweather could of fought Margarito or Williams or Cotto or Hatton(at 140) in 2008-2009, all would of been great wins over prime pound for pound level opponents but choose to take a 2 year vacation and come back to fight a guy who he made move up 2 weight class and then didn't even make the weight himself
Not surprisingly you can't see the difference between live real champions like Mulinga and Virgil Hill vs past prime opponents like Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:40 am to bobbyray21
In my humble opinion and probably carries no clout either, but I felt that Best fighter off the 84 Olympic Team was Pernell. I never really understood why Breland got the love as an Amateur that he did. I think the most overrated but smartest was Biggs. His handlers knew he wasn't a pro fighter and got him paid early with the Tyson fight.
I also think the 84 team was so much better than the 76 team. Especially after having to rebuild after the plane crash in Poland.
I also think the 84 team was so much better than the 76 team. Especially after having to rebuild after the plane crash in Poland.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 2:42 am
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:44 am to bobbyray21
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Ah, you see how a guy could be the best in his weight division and still not be top ten? See how that might work out?
Just be honest the only Michael Spinks fight you ever saw was against Tyson. At least that way you can keep some shred of credibility.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:48 am to VerlanderBEAST
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1.Having a great resume is dependent upon having great opponents
2.Mayweather could of fought Margarito or Williams or Cotto or Hatton(at 140) in 2008-2009, all would of been great wins over prime pound for pound level opponents but choose to take a 2 year vacation and come back to fight a guy who he made move up 2 weight class and then didn't even make the weight himself
Not surprisingly you can't see the difference between live real champions like Mulinga and Virgil Hill vs past prime opponents like Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley
1. They look great when he doesn't make them look bad.
2. Worst. Argument. Ever.
Please tell at what weight and during what calendar year would Ricky Hatton have given Mayweather a fight. They fought, dude. Mayweather beat that arse. Mayweather is threee years older.
He just beat Cotto. Who is four years younger than him. Why would Mayweather taking a break serve as an advantage against a guy who is younger than him? Did Mayweather not age?
I won't discuss Margarito who Mayweather would destroy even if he had titanium in his gloves (which he might of)
3. Are you talking to me? You'll need to explain the context of what you're saying in the last sentenc or how it is a rebuttal to something I've previously said. And you'll also need to remind me how old Cotto is.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:49 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Just be honest the only Michael Spinks fight you ever saw was against Tyson. At least that way you can keep some shred of credibility.
How old are you?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 2:52 am to sms151t
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In my humble opinion and probably carries no clout either, but I felt that Best fighter off the 84 Olympic Team was Pernell. I never really understood why Breland got the love as an Amateur that he did. I think the most overrated but smartest was Biggs. His handlers knew he wasn't a pro fighter and got him paid early with the Tyson fight.
I also think the 84 team was so much better than the 76 team. Especially after having to rebuild after the plane crash in Poland.
The 1980 team would have been really good as well. Ace Miller* was going to be the coach of that team. He told me stories about both the '76 team and the '80 team.
He recently passed.
*He ran the Knoxville Golden Gloves
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:01 am to VerlanderBEAST
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VerlanderBEAST
Keep talking, smart guy. You're doing so well.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:16 am to bobbyray21
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1. They look great when he doesn't make them look bad.
Floyd made Hatton look bad but its still not a very good win considering Hatton was an average sized 140 moving up to welterweight.
Floyd didn't make Cotto look bad, everyone knew Cotto was well past it just look at the guys he has fought since getting obliterated by Pacquiao.
Mosley was a 38 year old who was coming off 16 months of inactivity and has looked like absolute crap in every fight since.
De La Hoya was a part time fighter at best who had one meaningless fight in 3 years leading up to fighting Floyd. I don't blame Floyd at all for fighting Oscar its the reason Floyd became a star.
Same goes for Judah, Baldomir, Ndou, Chop Chop Corley, and every one of Floyd's opponents since Castillo. That is the difference between Floyd's opponents and Roy's. Roy's opponents(Hill, Malinga, Johnson) had great wins/performances before and after they fought Roy.
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2. Worst. Argument. Ever.
Please tell at what weight and during what calendar year would Ricky Hatton have given Mayweather a fight. They fought, dude. Mayweather beat that arse. Mayweather is threee years older.
Mayweather could of fought Hatton in 2005 when they were the top 2 light welterweights in the world or he could of fought him when he did but not made Hatton move up in weight. As for Margarito, Floyd was offered a career best pay day to fight him but instead choose to fight Judah and Baldomir for less money.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:23 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Floyd made Hatton look bad but its still not a very good win considering Hatton was an average sized 140 moving up to welterweight.
He moved up one division. They could've made Mayweather fight at 135 and with 20 ounce gloves and it wouldn't have mattered.
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Floyd didn't make Cotto look bad, everyone knew Cotto was well past it just look at the guys he has fought since getting obliterated by Pacquiao.
You can keep saying Cotto is past his prime till you're blue in the face. It doesn't mean you're right. He's only 31.
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Mosley was a 38 year old who was coming off 16 months of inactivity and has looked like absolute crap in every fight since.
Mosley should have stopped fighting years ago. I agree with this.
Didn't Pacquiao also fight Mosley? Can you check on that for me?
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De La Hoya was a part time fighter at best who had one meaningless fight in 3 years leading up to fighting Floyd. I don't blame Floyd at all for fighting Oscar its the reason Floyd became a star.
So that means you must give even less credit to Pacquiao's win over Oscar, yes? Considering it came a year later and Oscar fought Mayweather at 154, but then moved down to fight Pac.
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Same goes for Judah, Baldomir, Ndou, Chop Chop Corley, and every one of Floyd's opponents since Castillo. That is the difference between Floyd's opponents and Roy's. Roy's opponents(Hill, Malinga, Johnson) had great wins/performances before and after they fought Roy.
I'm not saying they're abject scrubs, but you keep talking about Hill, Malinga, and Johnson like they're goddamn Sugar Ray Robinson, Cassius Clay, and Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Let me assure the fine people of this message board that they are far from it.
Virgil Hill was not that goddamn good and he was the best of the three you mentioned. Not only did he lose to a washed up on-his-third-comeback Tommy Hearns, he was coming off a loss when he fought Jones.
Reggie Johnson lost twice in a row to some fatass I had to look up. This guy:
And your boy Malinga was 44-13, but it's cool 'cause only 41 of those wins came against fellow South Africans.
A first ballot hall of famer I've ever seen one.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:27 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Mayweather could of fought Hatton in 2005 when they were the top 2 light welterweights in the world or he could of fought him when he did but not made Hatton move up in weight. As for Margarito, Floyd was offered a career best pay day to fight him but instead choose to fight Judah and Baldomir for less money.
Oh, so Mayweather was scared of the mighty Margarito? Nice to know.
You might have lost credibility there, but that ship actually sailed some time ago with the "Blake Griffin is the best fastbreak wing in the history of basketball" statement.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:31 am to bobbyray21
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Oh, so Mayweather was scared of the mighty Margarito? Nice to know.
You might have lost credibility there, but that ship actually sailed some time ago with the "Blake Griffin is the best fastbreak wing in the history of basketball" statement.
ouch
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:07 am to bobbyray21
Typical Mayweather fan crap criticize an opponent and the first thing they say is 'but Pacquiao fought him too". No shite, Pacquiao just like Mayweather has fought shite opponents since moving up past lightweight. The difference is the 135s and below during Pacquiao's time were elite hall of famers(Marquez and Barrera), the guys of Floyd's time were very good but not Hall of Famers(Castillo and Corrales)
Virgil Hill was the best light heavyweight of the 90s it wasn't a very strong decade at the weight but he was that good. After being knocked out by Roy moved up in weight and won a championship at cruiserweight(via first round KO) proving he was at worse slightly past his prime.
Oh and that fatass is Jorge Fernando Castro who was the #1 middleweight in the world for a few years. He was most known for being apart of the 1994 fight of the year and for having one of the best chins of the 90s if not all time. And ironically he is right there with Hill, Malinga etc as one of Roy's great and under appreciated wins.
But you didn't even know the difference between Michael and Leon Spinks so I wouldn't expect you to know that
Virgil Hill was the best light heavyweight of the 90s it wasn't a very strong decade at the weight but he was that good. After being knocked out by Roy moved up in weight and won a championship at cruiserweight(via first round KO) proving he was at worse slightly past his prime.
Oh and that fatass is Jorge Fernando Castro who was the #1 middleweight in the world for a few years. He was most known for being apart of the 1994 fight of the year and for having one of the best chins of the 90s if not all time. And ironically he is right there with Hill, Malinga etc as one of Roy's great and under appreciated wins.
But you didn't even know the difference between Michael and Leon Spinks so I wouldn't expect you to know that
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:19 am to VerlanderBEAST
Pacquiao can beat mayweather
Posted on 5/6/12 at 7:25 am to drake20
Mickey Rourke
Posted on 5/6/12 at 10:11 am to bobbyray21
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Tyson could have been an all-time great. He was his own worst enemy. As soon as he fired Kevin Rooney -- his last link back to Cus D'amato -- the downward spiral began.
Agreed, but all that happened so he shouldn't be in the convo
Posted on 5/6/12 at 10:17 am to snake23
Marvin Hagler in his prime would have beating both Jones and Mayweather.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/6/12 at 10:40 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Oh and that fatass is Jorge Fernando Castro who was the #1 middleweight in the world for a few years. He was most known for being apart of the 1994 fight of the year and for having one of the best chins of the 90s if not all time. And ironically he is right there with Hill, Malinga etc as one of Roy's great and under appreciated wins.
Oh I knew who he was, dipshit. And I knew he was fat.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 10:41 am to VerlanderBEAST
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But you didn't even know the difference between Michael and Leon Spinks so I wouldn't expect you to know that
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 10:42 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Agreed, but all that happened so he shouldn't be in the convo
I didn't put him in my top 5.
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