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re: IF Tiger beats Jack's major record...
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:44 pm to texastiger38
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:44 pm to texastiger38
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IF Tiger beats Jack's major record...
If, and everyone I know it is a big if. Would you regard him as the best golfer of all time?
Yep. The number is 18. After 8 pages I hope someone has already quoted Ric Flair? To be the man you gotta beat the man...... WHOOO!
Only way to measure these guys is majors. Unless you get a time machine and kidnap 1970 Jack and 2000 Tiger. then give them both 6 months to practice and have at it.
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:12 pm to DP40
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I don't. I don't buy into his phony marketing of being "The One" that he embraced. He is not a family man, man of character, or conducts himself in the standards that golf entails. I actually hate fans like you that think you MUST see the best ever and inflate the stature of those who might rival the best evers of the past. You and your ilk are actually the worst fans because of your desire to see what no man ever has AND thinking you actually have when you have no clue. You hang on ESPN's every highlight and "fact" in hopes it proves you are living in the greatest sports era ever and that no man can rival my visual exploits and every player in every sport is the best in "MY" lifetime. Truth is, the good old days could have rivaled the athletic wonders of today if given the opportunities of technology and sports medicine. Truth is part II, some athletic wonders of yesteryear will never be beaten or bested. You are not entitled to see the best of everything even though you obviously feel entitled, or deeply desirous to do so. Edit: I'm out for the night. You race-baiters jerk each other off the rest of the night. I'll reply tomorrow to logical, not race-baiting idiots.
This entire post is just...wow.
You hate Tiger, because he is not what you want him to be.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:26 pm to texastiger38
Just like any sport you have to break it into eras. Bobby Jones, Jack, and Tiger. There are so many others deserving of consideration for greatness, but these are the three. The next one is probably a tyke. Tiger should break the record, but he sure seems to have lost his mojo. Regardless, he's in that top three, and the best of his generation hands down.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:29 pm to Big Ragoo
I don't think he breaks it now. 2 maybe 3 more majors for Tiger at most
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:37 pm to Lithium
If he wins one more he breaks it without a doubt. The problem is that next one, not the 18th.
ETA: I could not even respond, much less read DPs whole post. He seems a little off.
ETA: I could not even respond, much less read DPs whole post. He seems a little off.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/12 at 12:04 am to Sherman Klump
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ETA: I could not even respond, much less read DPs whole post. He seems a little off.
You're probably better off for it as well
Posted on 4/10/12 at 12:25 am to texastiger38
I'd put him at No. 1 Right now.
Haters gonna hate.
Haters gonna hate.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 2:46 am to texastiger38
Imo, Tiger is already the GOAT. He was an absolute force in his prime that made millions of new fans take notice of and get into golf. He's one of the most important figures in the game's history
Posted on 4/10/12 at 6:11 am to Starchild
Here is what Hank Haney thinks: "the part of me that still believes in his genius thinks he can still do it. A study of geniuses throughout history shows that their most distinguishing characteristic is the willingness to pay any price until the goal was achieved. Tiger had that. Question is does he still have it".
Considering the time he is putting in to his game now, I would believe he still has the desire.
Considering the time he is putting in to his game now, I would believe he still has the desire.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 6:19 am to texastiger38
Yes, because he has more majors. Period.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 6:55 am to texastiger38
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medtiger
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Who said anything about race in this thread? Aside from you, that is.
I know your baiting ways from another thread. You think you are clairvoyant. And right on que...
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No one even had to bait you in order to get you to bring out your true motives.
You are a race-baiting idiot of epic proportions.
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texastiger38
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You hate Tiger, because he is not what you want him to be.
No, I dislike Tiger because he thinks, or thought, he would be the greatest human to ever walk the earth. He would do more for humanity than anybody in history.
He is arrogant beyond measure on and off the course. I don't care for him, don't respect him, nothing to respect about him.
If anybody buys into half of what he and his dad were selling is beyond delusional when it comes to any topic Tiger.
Many of you Tiger fans have bought into what their were selling. I have a Tiger bridge for sell by the way.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 7:34 am to texastiger38
I think Tiger is already the most talented golfer ever. Granted I was too young too remember Jack or Arnold when they were in their primes, its hard to believe that anyone had has much raw talent as Tiger (which is why he dominated at such a young age).
Golf is extremely mental, and for him to do what he did at such a young age is insane. You hear all that time in any sport "just wait till he matures and gets experience and he/they will win championships". Tiger just skipped that part. While some will say its his mental part thats killing him now, I agree but that has to do with shite outside of golf. He didnt just start sucking out of nowhere for no reason. If all that crap hadnt taken place in his personal life, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now.
With that being said, I think Tiger will be the GOAT if he breaks the record. But your always, no matter what, going to have that group of people that will always say the "older" player is the greatest. Its like that in every sport (except for maybe MJ). People always seem to take the side of the older player or teams for some reason. Its like just because they played 50 years ago, their the best. People always favor the older, more historical players because they seem like more of an "icon".
Golf is extremely mental, and for him to do what he did at such a young age is insane. You hear all that time in any sport "just wait till he matures and gets experience and he/they will win championships". Tiger just skipped that part. While some will say its his mental part thats killing him now, I agree but that has to do with shite outside of golf. He didnt just start sucking out of nowhere for no reason. If all that crap hadnt taken place in his personal life, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now.
With that being said, I think Tiger will be the GOAT if he breaks the record. But your always, no matter what, going to have that group of people that will always say the "older" player is the greatest. Its like that in every sport (except for maybe MJ). People always seem to take the side of the older player or teams for some reason. Its like just because they played 50 years ago, their the best. People always favor the older, more historical players because they seem like more of an "icon".
Posted on 4/10/12 at 7:40 am to jg8623
And it is impossible to direclty compare players from different eras. It is not fair to say that one player is better than the other because technology and equipment changed, or training/nutrition is better now. You cant fault someone for being born when they did. You have to compare their careers seperately and look at what they did against athletes in their era, who had the same technology/equipment they did.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 8:14 am to DP40
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No, I dislike Tiger because he thinks, or thought, he would be the greatest human to ever walk the earth. He would do more for humanity than anybody in history.
earl said that, not tiger.
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If anybody buys into half of what he and his dad were selling is beyond delusional when it comes to any topic Tiger.
i am buying that he is the GOAT. i am not sure some of you understand what tiger has done. he has absolutely dominated golf since he was 3 years old. 6 usga titles in 6 years, grand slam by the age of 24, 142 cuts in a row, 7 pga wins in a row, scoring record in all majors, 4 majors in a row, lowest scoring avg. of all time for a year, winning us open by 15. these are things that jack didn't do. these are things that no one thought were possible in today's game. why? because of the depth of the fields.
when tiger turned pro, johnny miller said 50 wins and 10 majors. people thought he was crazy to think that. now, he could double those numbers.
is he arrogant, yes. is his behavior on the course atrocious at times, yes. but that is who he is. fist pumping when he wins, club throwing when he hits a bad shot. even if you don't agree with this, you can still appreciate what he has done.
i don't think there has ever been someone like tiger in sports. a pure genius that has lived up to the potential. this is even with the weight of the world on his shoulders. many people have said that he is the greatest sports figure of all time. you don't have to agree with this but don't dismiss his accomplishments because you don't like his attitude or personal life.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 9:01 am to tigerblood29
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you are never gonna convince old people that jack isn't the best ever,even when tiger breaks his major record
I'm only a few months older than Tiger and grew up playing junior golf and therefore grew up playing basically the same equipment Tiger did so I remember the difference in the change od equipment. It's a great debate between Jack and Tiger and arguments can be made either way.
Tiger's accomplishments are incredible and shouldn't be downplayed by his detractors. On the other hand, I think younger fans and those new to golf are totally clueless to how truly great Jack was through most of the prime of his career. He's just some old white man that hasn't won a PGA tournament in many years to them. Tiger played against deeper overall fields but Jack had more Mickleson level sure fire hall of fame rivals than Tiger did so I'm not sure Tiger had quite as much top level competition as Jack did. Tom Watson and Lee Trevino were better major championship winners than Mickleson and battled Jack throughout his career. He had to battle Arnold Palmer and Gary Player early in his career and had Watson, Trevino, Seve Ballesteros, Greg Norman, etc. which is more hall of fame level competition than Tiger ever faces at one time. The fact that Jack won as many majors and finished 2nd as many times as he did while raising a large family makes his record very hard to beat and difficult not to appreciate. Tiger, on the other hand, has had an amazing run and certainly deserves strong consideration as GOAT if he passes Jack's record.
As someone said earlier, it really is a case of 1a and 1b unless Tiger goes completely off and blows well by Jack's major record. Very unfair to use the phrase "the best without question" in referring to either Jack or Tiger.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/10/12 at 9:13 am to Govt Tide
I do think that jack had more talented to players playing against him. The only thing is, Tiger made a lot of players look worse than they were. Ernie Phil and Vijay would all have won more majors with jack in the field than with Tiger in the field, but that's just an opinion.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 9:20 am to jg8623
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Its like that in every sport (except for maybe MJ).
There is a point I wanted to make.
Calling Tiger GOAT now. Is like calling Jordan GOAT in 1995 during his first retirement. Arguments could be made at that time for many other players. But Jordan came back and won three more and put his debate to rest.
If Tiger overcomes this shitstorm and pulls off four more majors then he is unquestioned the GOAT. If he does not, I feel, it HAS to be Jack. And I am too young to remember him. I was 13 in 1986 (last Masters) and not really into golf. I do remember him winning that one. My Dad actually watched it, which he could have given 2 shits about golf.
Jack had dry spells but no scandals that I can recall. The ONLY thing that stopped him was Father Time. Tiger can have another decade of relevance if he chooses and his body holds up.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 9:22 am to nugget
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, Tiger made a lot of players look worse than they were. Ernie Phil and Vijay would all have won more majors with jack in the field than with Tiger in the field, but that's just an opinion.
I agree with your opinion. As I said earlier, it isn't fair to Tiger to say that the better players weren't as good because he was beating their brains out. As an example, when Tiger won the US Open by 15 shots in 2000, Ernie Els was the person no one remembers finished a distant 15 shots back in 2nd. So, without Tiger in the field, there's a 3rd US Open for Ernie. IMO, the fact that Vijay, Ernie, Mickelson, etc aren't on par with Watson, Trevino, Player, etc is because of Tiger's dominance; so this actually works in Tiger's favor in this argument as far as I'm concerned.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 9:23 am
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