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re: Cuban and Stern on College
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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frick no. the NFL still beat baseball's arse
Just relative to the Harris Poll numbers on popularity. They showed 24% vs. 23% in 1985. Whether that is 100% accurate or not, the gap wasn't nearly as wide as it is now.
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college football is beyond baseball
I think that is a regional thing. Baseball is huge in the north east. It is also big in the Hispanic population. Boston and New York are far bigger for baseball for example. Once again I was just referencing the Harris poll though that I posted. In 85 23% listed baseball as their favorite sport and now its 13%. College football has gone from 10% to 13%.
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Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:52 am to chalmetteowl
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let's say the next blake griffin in college in his third year blows out his knee... when everyone knows he should have been playing those years in the NBA. fans are gonna feel cheated that players are stuck in college longer than they have to be. players who are too good for college ball will get bored with it.
Someone like Oden would not have been a waste of a pick because his problems would have started in college. Works both ways.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:52 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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I would say that there was an influx of HS players from 1996 to 2006.
yes, but what was the rate within 1996-2006?
i don't think there was any sort of jump in the later years of that window
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And ever since the one and done rule has been implemented, the college ranks has basically been a continuation of an AAU league.
for the record, there were tons of guys who went to college for 1 year then went to the NBA during the era of the old rule
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And Webster is a bust, he was drafted 6th, not the place a 'good' role player gets drafted.
most NBA drafts don't go deeper than 3-5 impact guys. the NBA draft is a crapshoot of crapshoots, and it always has been
being a great NBA player is the most rare thing in american sports. that's why individual great players have so much power
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:53 am to arwicklu
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I think that is a regional thing.
look at the ratings for the BCS title game, esp before it moved to cable
compare to avg WS ratings
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:56 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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If you are saying Livingston had an injury derailment, well, then I think Oden qualifies there as well. Also, there are going to be guys drafted because of their measurables. Kwame Brown could've gone to 4 years in college and he still would've been drafted high because of his measurables. Thabeet was drafted high because of his measurables and because he actually performed well for a good college team.
I agree with that. Oden and Livingston both had injury problems. It is hard to call a guy like Jay Williams or Bobby Hurly a bust because they destroyed their bodies.
As for the rest of it, the NFL has shown that many GMs will draft combine superstars regardless of on field performance in college. I think you're dead on here.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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look at the ratings for the BCS title game, esp before it moved to cable
compare to avg WS ratings
hard to compare 1 game to a series.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:57 am to arwicklu
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If you look over time college didn't help GMs avoid guys like Marcus Fizer, Robert Traylor, Ed O'bannon... and tons of other guys.
You can't legislate stupid. The draft is always going to be a crap shoot, no matter what the rule is.
Remember these are the guys that give Darko, John Salmons, old Richard Jefferson, Charlie Villaneuva, Al Harrington, et al multimillions after being in the league for several years.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:00 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Someone like Oden would not have been a waste of a pick because his problems would have started in college. Works both ways.
I would suggest someone with this kind of talent sit out for a year currently and not risk injury. Let's make him play in college for three years to test his knees doesn't seem like a reasonable reason to stunt someone's career. This would be even worse for a freak injury like Shaun Livingston. You're supposed to go to college to help your career and not possibly destroy it.
Willis McGahee's career could have been ended on a game that meant nothing for his career. As a player, I would be much more worried about my money than college athletics.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:00 pm to corndeaux
I would think that most of the great high school players would just go play in Europe for 3 years instead of going to college.
Increase their brand overseas and get paid. Basketball isn't like football where you have only 1 option in college football. In basketball you can go play just about anywheres including China.
Increase their brand overseas and get paid. Basketball isn't like football where you have only 1 option in college football. In basketball you can go play just about anywheres including China.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes, but what was the rate within 1996-2006?
I was just counting the first round.
1995-1
1996-2
1997-1
1998-2
1999-2
2000-2
2001-3
2002-1
2003-3
2004-8
2005-8
Rule implemented after 2005 season.
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being a great NBA player is the most rare thing in american sports
I agree 100%. But at the same time, a lottery pick is supposed to be more then a role player, whether its fair to the player or not. At 6 you should still be able to get a solid starter, or thats at least what they hope to get.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:06 pm to blowmeauburn
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I would think that most of the great high school players would just go play in Europe for 3 years instead of going to college
They could, but that is a hell of a transition for most of these kids. The majority of them are from poor, inner city environments. Moving to Europe with a lot of money is a big jump.
The solution for the NBA is to ramp up the D-League. Pay those guys more competitive salaries than the $15,000-$20,000 most make. Bump that up to $65-$75,000. Not huge investments, but enough to get kids who want to be pros to take a look.
Turn it in to a true minor league- maybe something similar to European soccer relegation?
ETA: not necessarily relegation, but the lower leagues. Although relegation would be a great way to prevent tanking
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look at the ratings for the BCS title game, esp before it moved to cable
compare to avg WS ratings
The ratings also depend on who is in the game. WS rankings spike when the Yankees play, etc.
If you look past the BCS title game, then the average bowl ratings were actually way down. "College football's average 2011-12 bowl rating fell to a new low in the 14-year history of the Bowl Championship Series."
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:09 pm to corndeaux
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NBA teams were tired of drafting Jonathan Bender, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, and even Tyson Chandler
chandler became a player
eddie curry was lazy. he was great at his peak when he gave a frick. college wouldn't change that. there are plenty of big men who came from college who ate themselves out of the league
kwame would have been picked highly regardless (see: thabeet)
bender had injuries
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most NBA drafts don't go deeper than 3-5 impact guys. the NBA draft is a crapshoot of crapshoots, and it always has been
being a great NBA player is the most rare thing in american sports. that's why individual great players have so much power
That is very true. You can count some drafts where nobody was a big hit.
2000:
1. Kenyon Martin, Nets; 2. Stromile Swift, Grizzlies; 3. Darius Miles, Clippers; 4. Marcus Fizer, Bulls; 5. Mike Miller, Magic; 6. DerMarr Johnson, Hawks; 7. Chris Mihm, Bulls (traded to Cavaliers); 8. Jamal Crawford, Cavaliers (traded to Bulls); 9. Joel Przybilla, Rockets (traded to Bucks); 10. Keyon Dooling, Magic (traded to Clippers)
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:11 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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But at the same time, a lottery pick is supposed to be more then a role player,
not true, in reality
i'd bet half of lottery picks end up outright sucking, for the most part
and not every year produces a possible superstar. some draft classes produce 3-4
the NBA draft is a total crapshoot
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:12 pm to arwicklu
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"College football's average 2011-12 bowl rating fell to a new low in the 14-year history of the Bowl Championship Series."
yeah, b/c it was on cable and not network TV
it set cable ratings records
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look at the ratings for the BCS title game, esp before it moved to cable
compare to avg WS ratings
Terrible ratings and attendance for college football bowl season
The numbers don't paint a good picture of the college Bowl Season. They paint the picture that people are tired of the BCS and the number of Bowl games is bloated and full of bad matchups. These are the worst numbers in a long time.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the NBA draft is a total crapshoot
As pertaining to the teams, yes. The NBA draft has always been viewed as, whether fair or not for the players, 1-5 superstar potential, 6-15 starter potential, 16-30 role players/diamond in the rough. Now, maybe thats why there are more busts in the NBA because teams try to put a player in that category because they are desperate, and in turn that player gets labeled a bust. Just because they got drafted there doesn't mean thats where they should've been drafted. The NBA is famous for overreaching in their drafts.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:16 pm to blowmeauburn
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Increase their brand overseas and get paid. Basketball isn't like football where you have only 1 option in college football. In basketball you can go play just about anywheres including China.
I think this will become the standard especially seeing Brandon Jennings have some success.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:19 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Now, maybe thats why there are more busts in the NBA because teams try to put a player in that category because they are desperate, and in turn that player gets labeled a bust.
it's just super rare to get a player who fits the height/frame requirements with the right athleticism and coordination, ALONG WITH the work ethic to improve their skillset
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