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re: Cuban and Stern on College
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:52 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:52 am to VerlanderBEAST
I would prefer having no rule to having three years or even what they have now. It wouldn't work in football, but in basketball, there simply are players who don't need to spend any time on a college campus, and forcing them to do so will lead to extra benefits and academic misconduct almost every time.
Not to mention the fact that a team having LeBron James for 3 years would be ridiculously unfair.
Not to mention the fact that a team having LeBron James for 3 years would be ridiculously unfair.
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Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:56 am to ohiovol
I'll also admit that while I think a three year rule would be unfair to players, I'm also not thrilled about the idea of Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, and Teague leading Kentucky to a 118-2 record over 3 years. 
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 8:57 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:05 am to ohiovol
I really don't understand why Stern gets so much hate. Ok, besides the fact that he is a smug a-hole...
Look at basketball since he took over compared to Baseball with Selig and Football with Goodell.
There is no doubt who the best commish in US sports is. Of course, I think that isn't saying much as Selig is mentally incompetent and Goodell is a nazi.
Look at basketball since he took over compared to Baseball with Selig and Football with Goodell.
There is no doubt who the best commish in US sports is. Of course, I think that isn't saying much as Selig is mentally incompetent and Goodell is a nazi.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:15 am to saintsfan92612
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I really don't understand why Stern gets so much hate. Ok, besides the fact that he is a smug a-hole...
Look at basketball since he took over compared to Baseball with Selig and Football with Goodell.
There is no doubt who the best commish in US sports is. Of course, I think that isn't saying much as Selig is mentally incompetent and Goodell is a nazi.
I disagree. I think Football has done the best job of trying to clean up their image by controlling their players and have created parity in the league.
The NBA is run by the stars who are controlled by the agents/advertising companies. The Dwight Howard situation shows what the league has become. It is like baseball, you're at a massive disadvantage unless your city is named New York, LA, or Chicago. Stern's moves controlling the hornets, vetoing trades, etc were all pretty bad and were a huge conflict of interest.
Goodell has to deal with a much larger number of people than the NBA due to the roster sizes. The conduct policy is no different than the standards people would be held to in a normal job. It is hard to blame him for huge fines when the NFL is taking concussion lawsuits and teams are paying injury bounties. It is also hard to blame him on the personal conduct stuff because every arrest is very high profile. The NFL has the best product and best CBA. They were also able to avoid missing games unlike the NBA. Goodell is tough but from a business standpoint he's very good.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:18 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Also, it can be argued that a big player like Bynum and Garnett has an easier transition to the NBA then any other type of player.
whaaaaaaaaaat?
big men take longer to develop than wingmen
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And, you can make a list 3 times as long of players that weren't successful that didn't go to college.
and you can make a list 10x as long of people who went to college who didn't succeed compared to the # who did. your point?
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:20 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Also, how many will start and have 25 minutes per game right away?
that's not the point
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and its harder to gauge how they will look 2 years out of HS.
it's hard to gauge how kids will look 2 years out of college, too
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:22 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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It's just very hard to gauge that type of stuff, which I'm guessing the owners weren't happy when it didn't work out so they made the one and done rule
they made the one/done rule for publicity, both so it looked like they were "doing the right thing" and to get free PR for a year
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and even then they are still missing out on certain players. Maybe with this rule they are able to cut down on busts a little bit more.
there will always be busts. there were tons of busts when everybody played 3-4 years, bro
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:22 am to saintsfan92612
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Look at basketball since he took over compared to Baseball with Selig and Football with Goodell.
There is no doubt who the best commish in US sports is. Of course, I think that isn't saying much as Selig is mentally
I have no love for Bud Selig (especially after he forced the Astros to the AL
) but baseball is making more money than ever and has had record attendence in recent years, hard to say he is doing a bad job. This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 11:13 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:23 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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and rather were trying to get a product closer to street ball.
the frick?
the NBA is the highest form of basketball on the fricking planet
how is it "street ball" ?
college basketball is a vastly inferior style of basketball. it's almost unwatchable
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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there will always be busts. there were tons of busts when everybody played 3-4 years, bro
I would guess its about the same either way.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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how is it "street ball" ?
Just another person who hasn't watched the NBA since Allen Iverson and Jason Williams were coming up.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:34 am to H-Town Tiger
it mostly comes down to the player and if he's willing to put in time to work on his game, like a kobe, lebron, kg, etc
also college can kind of paint a false picture due to college simply being a completely different game
some guys who came straight from HS had some issues early on, worked on their game, and ended up being highly productive. stephen jackson is a great example. this happens with guys from college, too. steve nash went to college and it took him a few years to establish himself
your typical development curve is generally by age, because this is in line with physical maturity. guys usually figure it out by 22-24 and his their physical peak by 25-28, which is typically the prime (because their bodies are mature and they still have athleticism)
big men and point guards can take longer to develop
also college can kind of paint a false picture due to college simply being a completely different game
some guys who came straight from HS had some issues early on, worked on their game, and ended up being highly productive. stephen jackson is a great example. this happens with guys from college, too. steve nash went to college and it took him a few years to establish himself
your typical development curve is generally by age, because this is in line with physical maturity. guys usually figure it out by 22-24 and his their physical peak by 25-28, which is typically the prime (because their bodies are mature and they still have athleticism)
big men and point guards can take longer to develop
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:35 am to mattz1122
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Allen Iverson and Jason Williams
2 guys who spent more than 1 year in colleg
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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they made the one/done rule for publicity
No. They did it to make it easier for scouts/front offices to make picks (it hasn't helped because you cant legislate dumb or luck).
Stern and the NBA do not give a shite about NCAA basketball.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:38 am to corndeaux
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No. They did it to make it easier for scouts/front offices to make picks
1 year in college really doesn't help this, dude
they did it so that when kevin durant, derrick rose, or anthony davis were drafted, fans knew who they were
it's been highly successful
those 3 players would have been top 3 picks in almost any draft had they come out of high school
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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1 year in college really doesn't help this
You feel better about Davis at 1 now or this time last year? Or what about Harrison Barnes 2 years ago?
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they did it so that when kevin durant, derrick rose, or anthony davis were drafted, fans knew who they were
Fans knew who Kobe and LeBron and KG were when they were drafted.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:51 am to corndeaux
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You feel better about Davis at 1 now or this time last year?
nothing this year really changed my opinion
super raw big man who is super athletic and good at defense. that's what he was a year ago, and that's what he is now
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Or what about Harrison Barnes 2 years ago?
i think barnes is a good example of a player who was hurt by college. he was allowed to coast and develop a 1-sided game because he didn't have to do anything else in college. he fit on that team, so there was no reason to change him. had he gone to the NBA, they would have broken him down and made him improve his total game
i still have hope that the NBA will break barnes down and he'll improve his total game, like a paul george
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Fans knew who Kobe and LeBron and KG were when they were drafted.
lebron? yes
kobe and kg? dude
kobe slid to like 12th and nobody batted an eye when he was traded for divac
people knew who kg was in the sense that he was the first high schooler in ages, but nobody knew what his game would be. nobody knew if he'd be a 3/4/5 or what his game was.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:52 am to H-Town Tiger
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I have no long for Bud Selig (especially after he forced the Astros to the AL) but baseball is making more money than ever and has had record attendence in recent years, hard to say he is doing a bad job.
They've done well for money but I do believe some of his decisions are not good for the long term popularity of the game. You've got 6 times more people watching the Super Bowl than the World Series. They've done well off stadium naming, tv, etc however I'm not sure the popularity of the game is improving.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:53 am to arwicklu
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You've got 6 times more people watching the Super Bowl than the World Series.
this isn't selig's fault
you've had exponentially more people watching the SB since like the 70s i'd bet
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however I'm not sure the popularity of the game is improving.
oh it's certainly improving. i'm a baseball hater and this is a fact that can't be argued
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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oh it's certainly improving. i'm a baseball hater and this is a fact that can't be argued
WSJ disagrees
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