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re: Money people - what is your view of the economy?

Posted on 3/5/12 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 3/5/12 at 10:41 pm to
So, in which department do you work? Equity flow, fixed income flow, Cash flow, etc?

Also, please tell me what the difference is between what you have described and a trader.

Also, just to decipher your lingo, please confirm:

Management = Asset Management
Prop = Prop trading
Flow = trader for the asset management team?

Also, I have a good bit of experience with JPM Asset Management and I'm pretty sure the job you described falls under them, not the IB.
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 3/6/12 at 7:01 am to
No it does not. I am in in IB. I am surprised I have to argue with someone over my own job for my own company.

Management is trading certain securities designated to be management, ie whether they are very specific securities or whether it is a strategic move on our part.

The flow department is mostly CDSs, IRSs, ESWs, ETPs, and your ordinary vanilla options that I am working with. But it doesn't mean I can't work with Bonds.

Other than that I can not really go into much further detail or I would be violating my terms of service.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4213 posts
Posted on 3/6/12 at 7:40 am to
quote:

Other than that I can not really go into much further detail or I would be violating my terms of service.


Pretty sure you have already violated those. Simultaneously posting your the firm's name and then your opinion on something is enough to get fired from my company. The fact that you bragged about your salary in the same thread is probably frowned upon as well.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/6/12 at 1:25 pm to
Pipe down, this dude is awesome.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 3/6/12 at 1:33 pm to
Whoa would chris know? Not like he works in in the industry.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10997 posts
Posted on 3/7/12 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

Your post has done nothing to refute my major premises in that hedge funds have increased their gold holdings in 2012.



From another article:
quote:

I have designed algorithms that dissect the trading data along with a variety of other indicators to make a qualitative estimate of buying by institutions and by smaller investors. These data show that in gold’s run from $1450 to $1910, 70% of the buying was by retail investors. Only 7% of the buying was from institutions. In the subsequent run from $1600 to $1760, 85% of the buying was by momentum chasing retail investors, but the ‘smart money’ was a net seller. In the latest run up, 92% of the buying between $1500 and $1790 is from mom and pop. Institutions are again net sellers. Fundamentals may be on the side of the institutions. The hard data on inflation shows that it is under control and the world economy has many deflationary tendencies.


And then pumping the jr miners to boot.

LINK
This post was edited on 3/7/12 at 7:03 pm
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
11089 posts
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:48 pm to
My boy Tirebiter is wicked smart...

I say that with my Ben Affleck Boston accent
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31988 posts
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:51 pm to
well the last couple of pages of this thread turned out tons of win
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 5:30 pm to
Time to make it boring again...

Fed's "Flow of Funds" Report LINK
B.100 -- Balance Sheet of Households and Nonprofit Organizations LINK
Net Wealth at End of Year (in trillions of nominal USD)
2007, 65.1982
2008, 52.4589
2009, 55.1249
2010, 58.8241
2011, 58.4551
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4213 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

Whoa would chris know? Not like he works in in the industry.


I think I qualify. Not trying to get in a dick measuring contest here though.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 6:36 pm to
That was sarcasm.

Either I am doin an awful job at it, or everyone on this board I missing it.

I'm going to start adding [/sarcasm] tags.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139618 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

I think I qualify. Not trying to get in a dick measuring contest here though.

Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10997 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 8:00 pm to
Well, like my New Year's reso, I did exercise/exhibit more patience, but could only hold out so long.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4213 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 8:26 pm to
I think there should be a dedicated sarcasm font. I can't count how many times I've made people think I'm an a-hole when I was just kidding around via text/email.
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 8:35 pm to
So you rehash me a quote from a guy that is highly levered with equities and would lose his horse, house, and wife if gold goes above $2000. He doesn't even realize that gold was at a fixed price before 1971. Thanks for bringing in this neophyte.

If you don't think we have inflation in many sectors of the world, look no further than China, India, Vietnam, and your own grocery store. Has your average food bill gone up or down the last year? Do you pay less or more for most necessities relative to a year ago? There are multiple independent sources that report inflation to be approximately 8% right now.

I agree that as a whole the US is experiencing slight deflation. However, that will not stop the coming inflationary environment down the road.

And about the Junior Miners, I offer them as a tool to leverage yourself against the price of gold and silver b/c in every scenario where gold and silver has gone up in history, the junior minors have outpaced gold/silver by a factor of 10 and even 100 in many cases.

Now, the only companies I suggest even investing in (btw I am on a VPN, so I can squawk all I want and I have not used any insider info thus far) are miners with no debt, no hedging, in great jurisdictions/politically friendly environments, excellent management teams, huge cash castles, low cash cost per ounce, and high 2P reserves.

So, lets make a proposal. What is a thousand Federal reserve notes to you? Not much right? So, if you buy at least 100 shares of SVM (which is around $7 a share), come back to me in a year, and if you have not double or tripled your initial investment, then I will stop with my bullish PM diatribes.

Edit: And if it happens to go down I will offer to pay for the difference.

Also, surprised to see Forbes put that out there, b/c he is for a Gold Standard. I also like how this article was written after the manipulated drop in gold/silver on Feb 29, talking about smart money after the fact ( he doesn't even attempt to include purchasers of physical bars and coins in his data, what a shyster)
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 9:42 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:36 am to
Keep the good stuff comin bro. VPN, damn you're such a bad arse.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135058 posts
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:39 am to
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Keep the good stuff comin bro. VPN, damn you're such a bad arse.


Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:49 am to
Dude's on an internal IB team AND works on the flow desk at JPM bro. You can't play with that.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28426 posts
Posted on 3/9/12 at 10:30 am to
You can't deny the fact that gold, while the talk of the town in the last decade, has still performed relatively poor historically to other asset classes.

This post was edited on 3/9/12 at 10:41 am
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/9/12 at 10:50 am to
Are you talking about fiat asset classes? Don't even go there bro.
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