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Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:27 am
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:27 am
What's the better option here:

I've just got married a couple of months ago and me and the wife are working on paying off a little debt. She's got a car with < 5k left on it and no credit card debt left (paid it all off earlier this year). The only debt I have are student loans, one of which is a department of education that I'm trying to pay off asap (it's fairly small).

currently my loans are done through Sallie Mae, I think there are a total of 5-6 loans that are all grouped together as one thing. All but one of these loans is sitting at 6.9% (I think) the other one is at like 3% or so.

My question is simply this: Once we're to the point where the only debt left is my student loans, do we pay those off as quick as possible, or put aside the extra money towards something like a house and just continue to pay the student loans slowly over time? Both choices (in my opinion) have their benefits and draw backs, and I'm honestly not really sure what the best option here is.

Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
Member since Apr 2011
6382 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:30 am to
The simple answer is this: Do you have an investment that will return a higher % than your student loan is costing? If so, do that. If not, pay off your loans.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45078 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Do you have an investment that will return a higher % than your student loan is costing? If so, do that. If not, pay off your loans.


sound idea, but also remember should the worse happen to you, most students loan can't be discharged in bankruptcy
Posted by Gutterman81
Member since Aug 2007
300 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 6:12 pm to
Definitely pay off the student loans. In a perfect world with rainbows and unicorns, and where nothing bad happens, you invest your money and attempt to get better than 6.9% return.

Another way to look at it is even if you could get 10% return for 2 years on lets say 15k (guessing at student loan debt) You're paying 6.9%, so your only getting 3.1% extra return on 15k for 2 years, and thats if you actually had 15k right now invested. Roughly 1k saved over a 2 year period.

I would just knock the debt out.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 6:13 pm
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6721 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

most students loan can't be discharged in bankruptcy


you are correct...

Section 523(a)(8) of the US Bankruptcy Code, at 11 U.S.C., excepts from discharge debts for "an educational benefit overpayment or loan made, insured, or guaranteed by a governmental unit, or made under any program funded in whole or in part by a governmental unit or nonprofit institution; or an obligation to repay funds received as an educational benefit, scholarship, or stipend; or any other educational loan that is a qualified education loan, as defined in section 221(d)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, incurred by a debtor who is an individual" unless "excepting such debt from discharge under this paragraph would impose an undue hardship on the debtor and the debtor's dependents".

For the purpose of this paragraph, the definition of of a qualifying education loan includes loans made solely to pay the higher education expenses of an eligible student, where the student is either the debtor, the spouse of the debtor, or the dependent of the debtor. In addition, the loans must be for study at a school that is eligible to participate in Title IV programs and where the student is enrolled at least half time. Loans that don't meet this definition, such as credit card debt, are still dischargeable even if they were used to pay for higher education expenses.

Thus FFELP and FDSLP loans, and education loans funded or guaranteed by private nonprofit organizations, are automatically nondischargeable in a bankruptcy proceeding. The only cases in which they can be discharged through bankruptcy are:

if the borrower files an undue hardship petition
and then it is up to the judge to decide whether the loan can actually be discharged. (The Higher Education Amendments of 1998 repealed the provision that allowed for the discharge of education loans that had been in repayment for 7 years. This affects all bankruptcy proceedings initiated after October 7, 1998, regardless of whether they involve loans incurred before that date.)
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 8:03 pm
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22655 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 8:12 pm to
Depending on your current salary, you might be able to write off the interest on your student loans.
Posted by bossflossjr
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
12284 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 7:35 am to
quote:

The simple answer is this: Do you have an investment that will return a higher % than your student loan is costing? If so, do that. If not, pay off your loans.


I disagree with this whole-heartedly.....pay off the debt and begin building wealth as soon as possible.
Posted by bossflossjr
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
12284 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 7:37 am to
quote:

Depending on your current salary, you might be able to write off the interest on your student loans


I have never understood people keeping personal debt so they could write off interest. I hear the arguement for keeping a house note repeatedly. Its amusing to me.
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
6214 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 8:14 am to
Cool, thanks for the info everyone. I guess I will stick to plan A. and pay everything off as quickly as possible. Yay for cheap shitty apartments to help keep the bills low.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22655 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 8:21 am to
Yes, take all your money and put it toward your loans. Don't worry about having anything in savings in case you have an emergency or lose your job. Brilliant move. Personally, I'd get enough in savings to keep my head above water for 3-4 months just in case something comes up. Then I'd try to get the loans paid off.
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
6214 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 9:08 am to
Assumptions make you sound like a dipshit...just sayin.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22655 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 9:18 am to
If you have say $50k in student loans, it's going to take you a while to get it paid off. I'd rather get in a house and start building equity while at the same time write off the interest on the house as well as the loans. Say it takes 3-4 yrs to pay off the loans and then another yr or so to save up enough for a downpayment on a house. If the housing market is in better shape at that time, you will have to come up with a larger downpayment and probably pay more than you would have 4 yrs earlier. I'm just playing devils advocate.
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
6214 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 9:28 am to
Thank you for not being a smart arse this time... and that point is exactly why I'm having this debate with myself. If it helps, I have about 30k in loans left to pay off (I've been paying them a little over a year now). I guess the main reason I'm even thinking about something like that is because I do want to get into a house. The market is great for someone like my wife and I but I'm afraid that if I don't take advantage of it sooner rather than later that I'm going to miss a golden opportunity to buy a house at a reasonable price.

I'm more than happy to listen to both sides of the argument as I'm trying to inform myself to make a good decision. So lets try and keep the smartass stuff on the OT and not in a thread where someone is trying to become a little less ignorant on something.
Posted by Gutterman81
Member since Aug 2007
300 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 9:59 am to
No one ever wants to pass up on golden opportunities...but this isnt once in a lifetime.
The only thing you know right now is that you have 30k in student loan debt. You dont know if the housing market will go up or down in the future.
5% up or down in the next 2 years isnt going to make or break you in the long term.(home values)
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5997 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 10:24 am to
I'm about 10 years removed from dealing with your situation. However when we graduated my wife and I consolidated our loans and after consolidation we went from a 6.5% intrest to 4.3% intrest. At that rate we decided to continue paying them off, but not as our number one priority.

If I were you I would look into consolidation. If you can do this and lower your intrest rate and your monthly payment I would begin saving for a home. You likely will never see the real estate market as depressed as it is right now. If you can scrape the money together for a home you will almost certainly win with it over time. Then on top of that you won't be throwing money away on rent.

I am different than many, I would rather hold on to a "good loan" i.e. student loans at 3-4% and make monthly payments twoards something I own such as a home rather than rent. I am a HUGE believer in OWN, don't rent/lease in just about anything you do in life. That principle has paid huge dividends for me over the years.
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
6214 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 10:34 am to
quote:

If I were you I would look into consolidation. If you can do this and lower your intrest rate and your monthly payment I would begin saving for a home.


I don't know a whole lot about this process...would this be something I would talk to Sallie Mae about, or my own personal bank or what?
Posted by Gutterman81
Member since Aug 2007
300 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Then on top of that you won't be throwing money away on rent.


Ask someone who is upside down 40k on their house if they wish they had "thrown money away on rent" instead of buying a home 4 years ago
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22655 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 2:27 pm to
If you buy a house now, you will not be upside down 4 yrs from now. Now is a greeat time to buy a house. I agree with Da Hammer. I actually did the same thing as him when I graduated 10 yrs ago. Back then consolidation rates were very low. I believe I am paying something around 4% and at the time, I could not have gone to a bank and gotten a loan for 4% so figured I'd just pay on the student loans while I build equity in a home.
Posted by Gutterman81
Member since Aug 2007
300 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

graduated 10 yrs ago. Back then consolidation rates were very low. I believe I am paying something around 4% and at the time


Have you been paying student loans for 10 years..yeah your advice is worthy - Is this really the MONEY board?
This post was edited on 6/24/11 at 4:56 pm
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22655 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 6:54 pm to
Yep. Still paying. I owed $80k. Got it down to about $15k now.
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