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re: LOST "Across the Sea" S6.E15 (Jacob/MIB Centric)
Posted on 5/12/10 at 7:54 am to Lacour
Posted on 5/12/10 at 7:54 am to Lacour
Am I the only one disappointed with this entire final season so far?
And it's not because of the lack of answers. We've got plenty of answers. I just think most of the answers and the overall direction they have taken the show is well....lame.
And it's not because of the lack of answers. We've got plenty of answers. I just think most of the answers and the overall direction they have taken the show is well....lame.
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Posted on 5/12/10 at 7:58 am to Lacour
A couple of not-negative thoughts (there aren't many):
*as a child, MIB's mother told him he was "special." You know who else is special? - Walt. No, I dont think that Walt is evil incarnate, just pointing out a similarity
*I said it once, and I'll repeat it- the only two people that can see dead people (that we know of) are Hugo and MIB. Another interesting tie
*I happen to think the wine is purely symbolic, and in and of itself has no physical properties to make someone immortal
*has anyone brought up the fact that the mother said "thank you" at the end? Like she wanted to die? Almost as if she had been on the island for a very long time and was ready to move on? So long, that she manipulated one of her sons to the point of killing her? - kinda familiar in the sense that MIB is manipulating people in a similar fashion
There is the part of me that wants to run this episode into the ground scene by scene, but I'll refrain except for one thing that I cant let go. How in the everliving frick did that woman carry a 200lb man up a bamboo ladder? Of the many, many shortcomings of this episode, not revealing a bit more of her supernatural powers (which is about the only explanation) was a poor decision.
man, I really, really didnt like the direction they took in regards to this whole story
*as a child, MIB's mother told him he was "special." You know who else is special? - Walt. No, I dont think that Walt is evil incarnate, just pointing out a similarity
*I said it once, and I'll repeat it- the only two people that can see dead people (that we know of) are Hugo and MIB. Another interesting tie
*I happen to think the wine is purely symbolic, and in and of itself has no physical properties to make someone immortal
*has anyone brought up the fact that the mother said "thank you" at the end? Like she wanted to die? Almost as if she had been on the island for a very long time and was ready to move on? So long, that she manipulated one of her sons to the point of killing her? - kinda familiar in the sense that MIB is manipulating people in a similar fashion
There is the part of me that wants to run this episode into the ground scene by scene, but I'll refrain except for one thing that I cant let go. How in the everliving frick did that woman carry a 200lb man up a bamboo ladder? Of the many, many shortcomings of this episode, not revealing a bit more of her supernatural powers (which is about the only explanation) was a poor decision.
man, I really, really didnt like the direction they took in regards to this whole story
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:03 am to Uncle Stu
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There is the part of me that wants to run this episode into the ground scene by scene, but I'll refrain except for one thing that I cant let go. How in the everliving frick did that woman carry a 200lb man up a bamboo ladder? Of the many, many shortcomings of this episode, not revealing a bit more of her supernatural powers (which is about the only explanation) was a poor decision.
I would say that she ventured into the light and was also a smoke monster. That is how she was able to destroy the cave, kill the village, pick up MIB from the bottom of the well, etc.
As far as her being killed, MIB did it with the special dagger that Dogen gave to Sayid. Perhaps the dagger is the only way to kill the Smoke in physical form.
Sayid stabbed him, but Smoke talked to him before he did so. Dogen said do not allow him to speak to you.
MIB's mother did not speak before she was stabbed.
I don't know. I'm trying vainly to make connections to where there probably aren't any.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:08 am to Salmon
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Am I the only one disappointed with this entire final season so far?
And it's not because of the lack of answers. We've got plenty of answers. I just think most of the answers and the overall direction they have taken the show is well....lame.
I'm disappointed but I'm not sure it's not because I've been expecting answers going into every episode and have been very let down.
The alt universe has definitely slowed down the season greatly. My feeling is that this season will be much better as a whole and not episode by episode. Which is a failure for a serial writer.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:15 am to Lacour
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I think there will be a level of satisfaction regarding the castaways, but as far as the island goes, I don't think there's going to be anything remotely concrete offered.
I'm thinking the same thing in that the character arcs will be satisfying, I'm just concerned about the answers to the Island.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:17 am to Uncle Stu
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*I said it once, and I'll repeat it- the only two people that can see dead people (that we know of) are Hugo and MIB. Another interesting tie
Then again, Sawyer and Desmond were able to see the young Jacob, while Richard was not.
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*I happen to think the wine is purely symbolic, and in and of itself has no physical properties to make someone immortal
Agree. She made her sons immortal from a very young age.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 8:20 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:23 am to Salmon
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Am I the only one disappointed with this entire final season so far?
And it's not because of the lack of answers. We've got plenty of answers. I just think most of the answers and the overall direction they have taken the show is well....lame.
I feel the exact same way. This whole season has been nothing but dog shite. "Lame" is too kind of a description of the direction this show has taken.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:33 am to The Godfather
i honestly didn't care for the episode but it did answer a lot of questions...i honestly don't care as much about the origins of MIB and Jacob as most people. I've watched all 5 seasons within the last year and the reason I got attached to the show was because of the main characters, not MIB/Jacob who were only first introduced at the end of season 5 btw....I'm more curious about how it ends with the main 6. that it all. that's what got my attention from the beginning.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:34 am to OMLandshark
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were able to see the young Jacob,
I dont equate the two
a "young Jacob" and a dead soul seem different to me in the sense that Jacob is so tied to the island, even at his apparent death, the island manifests him as a vision
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:39 am to joshnorris14
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all I cared about was getting told what the rules were
Me Too and that is the main reason I was dissapointed with the episode. The whole ADam and Eve thing was so minor I could care less if they ever told us who the two skeletons were. its about 77th on the list of island mysteries that we all want to know, but more importantly, the characters want and need to know and they treated it as if it was the most grand revelation ever. They swung and missed big time.
I wanted to see how the current game between MIB and Jacob came about and a far better explanation as why the mother did not want Brother to ever leave the island. even before he was thrown into the hole at the end they forbid him to leave and it just did not make sense.
This episode had some bad writing and even worse acting. It was reminiscent of THE PHANTOM MENACE. Allison Janney was terrible. Worst performance I've ever seen on lost outside of ZOE.
The two kids were really good but Mark Pelligrino was really bad and Titus Welliver was just ok because the dialogue they gave him was just shite.
If they don't show a continuation of Jacob/MIB on island before the Losties get there before it wraps up the writers deserve to be shot.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:48 am to Uncle Stu
People complaining about the people complaining about the episode(like me) are missing the point.
Nobody expects(or even particularly wants) every minute detail spoonfed to them(me).
All great fantasy/sci fi stories at least produce a believable and consistent universe that the reader or viewer can fill in all the blanks. In this case, the unanswered questions.
This episode failed to create the backstory framework which our suspension of disbelief hinges upon. Worse, it never set the tone that any of this is going on for a reason. Show us that all this matters somehow to the main characters. If it doesn't matter tho them, then why is it supposed to matter to us? That's it.
This being said...spitballing here, but could Jacob actually be mib and himself, sorta like Gollum and Smeagol in the LOTR? I think this may be a possibility, that he took his twin's personality in his extreme psychological distress at the end of the episode. Maybe scenes where he was talking with mib in other episodes were merely him talking with his split personality?
Maybe not.
Nobody expects(or even particularly wants) every minute detail spoonfed to them(me).
All great fantasy/sci fi stories at least produce a believable and consistent universe that the reader or viewer can fill in all the blanks. In this case, the unanswered questions.
This episode failed to create the backstory framework which our suspension of disbelief hinges upon. Worse, it never set the tone that any of this is going on for a reason. Show us that all this matters somehow to the main characters. If it doesn't matter tho them, then why is it supposed to matter to us? That's it.
This being said...spitballing here, but could Jacob actually be mib and himself, sorta like Gollum and Smeagol in the LOTR? I think this may be a possibility, that he took his twin's personality in his extreme psychological distress at the end of the episode. Maybe scenes where he was talking with mib in other episodes were merely him talking with his split personality?
Maybe not.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:54 am to St Augustine
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It is almost like she had some "smokey" in her too.
Then how the hell could she be killed with a knife?
FLocke can't be stabbed or shot and he is the smoke.
doesn't wash.
I also believe the writers just kept throwing out too much random crap to create questions that would keep the fans coming back to find out and in the end none of it was thought out before hand and they are just chucking stuff together.
With all the meaningless time wasted in season 6 having the characters hunch down in the jungle going on ridiculous missions that result in them accomplishing absolutely nothing of importance and all the stupid temple business that means nothing, they could have used this genesis story as a sort of "ALT Universe" if you will and showed it as an ongoing story throughout the season interwoven to the on-island story and had much more time to develop real answers and tell more about the game Jacob and MIB are playing.
Instead we got WEAK SAUCE
Posted on 5/12/10 at 8:57 am to Tiger Ryno
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Then how the hell could she be killed with a knife?
FLocke can't be stabbed or shot and he is the smoke.
FWIW, he killed her before she spoke. Or technically...mortally wounded her before she spoke.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:00 am to White Shadeaux
i could see the "mother" being a smoke monster and thats why she was so powerful..
the only problem with this is, if you kill a smoke monster do they keep the body they were in.
I ask this because when jacob threw his brother into the light the body came out the other side or whatever and he placed it in the cave as adam.
if the woman was a smokie too would the body she was posing as disintegrate or would she actually stay in that body.
the only problem with this is, if you kill a smoke monster do they keep the body they were in.
I ask this because when jacob threw his brother into the light the body came out the other side or whatever and he placed it in the cave as adam.
if the woman was a smokie too would the body she was posing as disintegrate or would she actually stay in that body.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:04 am to The Eric
I'm not reading all posts because I don't feel like it, but I think that some of you have expectations that are much too high. I know Lost has created this mystical effect on mystery and the unknown but really did you think any answer we got would be that great? And besides, its not the answers we should be excited about, but the process to get there. Just lower your expectations a bit and I promise you the show will be much more enjoyable. Its science fiction people, lighten up.
Sidebar: I enjoyed this episode.
Sidebar: I enjoyed this episode.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:05 am to ohiosportfan777
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its not the answers we should be excited about, but the process to get there.
But the entire process seems so irrelevant now.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:06 am to Uncle Stu
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No it wasn't, since it didn't explain why it is so important MIB doesn't leave the Island, which is the most important question right now next to the sideflashes.
yeah, i don't care about original inhabitants, or statues, or names, or any of that stuff.
the rules and the light are my main bitchings and i'm starting to get over the light.
this episode i thought disproved the fact that there was something greater going on than just a a game of "yes i can/no you can't" btwn jacob and MIB.
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*I said it once, and I'll repeat it- the only two people that can see dead people (that we know of) are Hugo and MIB. Another interesting tie
i don't understand. jack saw his dad. ben saw his mom. i'm sure there are other examples that escape me now.
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*has anyone brought up the fact that the mother said "thank you" at the end? Like she wanted to die? Almost as if she had been on the island for a very long time and was ready to move on? So long, that she manipulated one of her sons to the point of killing her? - kinda familiar in the sense that MIB is manipulating people in a similar fashion
i like this theory and would be somewhat more satisfied if this ends up being the case.
i think the writers left it almost too wide open. maybe in a way, we'll all be able to make lost whatever we want it to be about.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:07 am to Salmon
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But the entire process seems so irrelevant now.
This is our argument, those of us that were disappointed.
And we understand that its only one epsisode.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:08 am to White Shadeaux
as much as people are bitching about this season (which is retarded because this season has given us some of the BEST episodes) and last nights episode (which i also believe fell short on SOME answers) you are all missing the truth and tragedy of it all (TRUE LOST fans). LOST is almost over! Its like a close friend or relative dieing and you know the exact day! There telling you the stories of their life and all your doing is complaining on what the should have done diff or what they left out. The fact is LOST will be gone soon and instead of bitching until the end hold its hand and cherish the moments we have left! I've never loved a show this much. Entourage is good and so was Sopranos but THIS SHOW is the best show I've ever seen and I'm grateful for all the time its given me (good or bad). If you don't agree with this you are not or fall short of being a TRUE LOST fan and you should continue picking apart the greatest show your eyes will ever see. why not? It makes you 
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:11 am to White Shadeaux
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But the entire process seems so irrelevant now.
Yes, I am now unconvinced that there was any grand purpose or meaning to everything that happened the last 6 seasons.
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