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Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:24 pm to TigerBait1127
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what is stopping the Miles recruits from performing then?
Green QBs 2 yrs running. A misdirection on OL, GC I think. I don't pretend to know eveything, but GC likes a finesse OL and that wasn't performing in SEC. We were 11th in avg OL weight going into '09. I think CLM has seen the folly and made changes. Just my interpretation. I'm still waiting on the 3 10+ win thing. I respond thoughtfully to your ?s. Do you have no answer?
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:27 pm to Mayhawman
so a former olineman couldn't develop his own oline? Like I said what does he bring to the table
OL and Defense (2008) are just as big of a concern
i think that our oline will be much improved next year and I actually think we will win the west
i already told you that I don't really give a frick about it. You can't really compare this era of LSU football to any other era in LSU's history. It is just a shame that it is starting to slip away.
We have regressed on offense and defense with the loss of coordinators
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Green QBs 2 yrs running.
OL and Defense (2008) are just as big of a concern
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I think CLM has seen the folly and made changes.
i think that our oline will be much improved next year and I actually think we will win the west
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I'm still waiting on the 3 10+ win thing.
i already told you that I don't really give a frick about it. You can't really compare this era of LSU football to any other era in LSU's history. It is just a shame that it is starting to slip away.
We have regressed on offense and defense with the loss of coordinators
This post was edited on 5/2/10 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:34 pm to TigerBait1127
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We have regressed on offense and defense with the loss of coordinators
True this, but corrections are being made. The programs not in the tank yet, as you and your throng profess. This ain't the Big10,12 or MWC, you know.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:35 pm to Mayhawman
Its not CPM's fault. Last year he pushed all the right buttons. Every move he made worked out. Sometimes that happens. This year every button he has pushed has been wrong for whatever reason, this happens sometimes too. Thats sports, thats life.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:35 pm to Mayhawman
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but corrections are being made.
i hope so. I still don't like the style of defense. It all starts and ends with the oline and dline
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:36 pm to TigerBait1127
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The guy can't coach, the players have zero respect for him, and brings nothing to the table besides recruiting. What does he specialize in?
I've always chuckled at guys that can only see things in black and white.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:44 pm to TigerBait1127
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It all starts and ends with the oline and dline
Agreed there. There's things you can't get away with in SEC. I worried about the foundation when 270lb centers and OL guys were signed earlier yrs, but seems GC has a leash now. Maybe even just a puppet. Root for your team and enjoy the ride. Hopefully less potholes this yr.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:46 pm to Mayhawman
Yeah, people shouldn't treat Paul like the retard that Les Miles is.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:48 pm to Maximus
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Yeah, people shouldn't treat Paul like the retard that Les Miles is.
Pot meet kettle. Is that all you got?
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:49 pm to moneyg
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I've always chuckled at guys that can only see things in black and white.
awesome point
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:50 pm to TigerBait1127
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i mean 2006 where we ran the ball 30x against auburn despite having a clear advantage through the air. How did you feel after the 2007 Arkansas game? We got very very lucky and I'm thankful for it
According to you, Miles' drawback is that he relies too heavily on his coordinators. Wouldn't running the ball despite its ineffectiveness be a knock on Fisher rather than Miles? After the Arkansas game, I was livid and wanted to burn Matt Flynn in effigy for throwing that interception in OT.
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I'm talking about on the field discipline
Which is a product of position coaches and the individual players rather than the head coach in general. Care to cite your examples?
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not really sure what this means, but the last 2 seasons have alerted some glaring needs. It just sucks that the best schools in the SEC (outside of UGA) have better coaches than LSU. I guess I just don't like losing to Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Houston Nutt
It means that grouping the last two seasons together skews trends and data to prove the point of those who want to shite on Miles. Why not look at last year on its own or any grouping of years excluding 2008? What was revealed in the last two years was that co-defensive coordinators don't work. It's not wise to play a freshman in the SEC, and that production out of the offensive line is essential to offensive success. I'm not sure any of these in particular are revelations.
As per your lamentation, I want you to name me a coach in college that could beat Saban and Meyer every year. It sucks to lose to Nutt every year, and its a disturbing trend, but one that has little help of repeating itself this year.
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UF still handled us like a play toy. UGA wasn't a good team last year
10-3 isn't getting handled like a play toy. Particularly when the lone touchdown was disputed. as per Georgia, they were a decent team, much like we were a decent team. Not good, no, but not horrible.
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not really true, but we still have been blown out 3 times under Miles in the SEC. One was in the SEC Championship. An 11 win team should be a good team right? Was UF a good team last year? Bama sure blew them out in the SECCG. LSU plays to the level of their opponents
We were blown out twice in an atypically bad year and once in Miles' first year. I can't say anyone anywhere can place blame on Miles for laying an egg in that game. You do remember the circumstances surrounding that year, right? Was Florida a good team last year? Sure. But they also weren't as good as Florida typically is. I will say that you are correct in that LSU plays to the level of their opponents.. it's aggravating but true and my one true frustration with the team.
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did you watch Bama completely manhandle us in the 2nd half last year? They ran up and down the field on us and killed us in the 4th quarter. I think Miles outcoached him the previous year. We should have blown them out in 2007, but we found a way to frick up the lead and fall behind.
I watched us have success against an incredibly stingy defense. I watched as Ingram and Richardson tore through our weak DL.. but I also saw that at the end of the 3rd quarter, we were leading by 5. They killed us in the 4th quarter because we were down a starting QB, starting RB, and All-American CB. We should have blown them out in 2007, but fricked up because Matt Flynn got our jersey colors confused.
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UF, Bama, and Ole Miss completely outplayed us. We still may have been able to pull Bama out, but they were running at will on us
Florida decidely outplayed us last year. It was the one game that it never seemed like we had a chance at winning. Did Bama outplay us? Not so much. Ole Miss? Not really. We fricked ourselves at the end more than they beat us.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:00 pm to Mayhawman
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Pot meet kettle. Is that all you got?
Paul M restored the baseball program
Les Miles is on the verge of ruining the football program
they are so much alike
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:05 pm to chilge1
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Wouldn't running the ball despite its ineffectiveness be a knock on Fisher rather than Miles?
yes, but Miles is responsible, as the head coach, for his coordinator's decisions
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Which is a product of position coaches and the individual players rather than the head coach in general.
see above
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Care to cite your examples?
how about the failure of LSU to line up correctly in both the Arky and UK games? One took back a Jacob Hester TD and the other took away a nice play by Tolliver. Against Bama in 2007, Tyson's karate chop on Woodson helped put them back in the game, see the same for the UK game. LSU led the SEC in penalties in 2007 i believe (could be wrong though)
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It means that grouping the last two seasons together skews trends and data to prove the point of those who want to shite on Miles.
no, it proves that the 2 years after the NC were shitty. He lost his DC and the defense fell off the face of the earth. The offense has gotten worse every year.
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What was revealed in the last two years was that co-defensive coordinators don't work.
that is on Miles
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It's not wise to play a freshman in the SEC,
i agree, but that had nothing to do with the defense in 2008
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that production out of the offensive line is essential to offensive success. I'm not sure any of these in particular are revelations.
i agree. We should be able to expect the oline, which SHOULD be Miles' specialty, to be the strongest part of our team
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10-3 isn't getting handled like a play toy.
the score doesn't say it all. We never had anything close to a touchdown drive and they dominated us on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. There was no doubt who the better team was. They protected Tebow and chewed up clock the whole game. We couldn't stop them and we couldn't move teh ball on them
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as per Georgia, they were a decent team, much like we were a decent team. Not good, no, but not horrible.
they were 8-5, i don't consider that to be a good team. I stand by my statement. (They were 6-5 at one point but beat 2 ooc teams)
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But they also weren't as good as Florida typically is
they were better than UF usually is. How many UF teams did better than the 2009 team?
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Ole Miss? Not really. We fricked ourselves at the end more than they beat us.
we were very lucky to be in the ole miss game. They COMPLETELY outplayed us. It was more frustrating that we were that outplayed yet still had a chance to win. They outgained us by 100+ yards and moved the ball at will on us. Special Teams kept us in the game (which has been good under Miles)
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:07 pm to Lester Earl
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Paul M restored the baseball program
Les Miles is on the verge of ruining the football program
they are so much alike
If you can't do better yourself than Les Miles is perfect!!!!
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:12 pm to Maximus
how many football games HAVE YOU EVER WON???
not more than CLM!!!
not more than CLM!!!
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:14 pm to Lester Earl
The "posi-tigers" are so excited right now that the baseball team is playing like shite because they think it proves that our fans will never be happy with anything and thus Les Miles really is perfect.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:14 pm to chilge1
Not to really change the unfathomed subject of CLM football, but the OP was more about CPM's recent troubles, and the turncoats of the Rant. Say BB doesn't make a super 2 yrs running. Is he ready for the boot?
What say ye?
What say ye?
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:16 pm to Mayhawman
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Not to really change the unfathomed subject of CLM football, but the OP was more about CPM's recent troubles, and the turncoats of the Rant. Say BB doesn't make a super 2 yrs running. Is he ready for the boot?
What say ye?
like i just said
Could not wait for lsu baseball to falter so you could prove that Les Miles is not a retard who will never win even the SEC West again.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:21 pm to Maximus
Didn't read this thread because it is probably full of a bunch of Les Miles suck ups.
But just so you fricktards know, there is a big difference between inheriting a team that is at the top and reducing them to mediority, and taking a depleted team that is at the bottom and bringing them to the pinnacle.
But just so you fricktards know, there is a big difference between inheriting a team that is at the top and reducing them to mediority, and taking a depleted team that is at the bottom and bringing them to the pinnacle.
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